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Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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But they are tightly related. Russia just issued a similar warning concerning iOS app distribution.

I don't see how they're related at all, at least beyond them being about the App Store.

Alternative in-app payments is about third-party developers receiving money in apps without the manufacturer getting a cut; alternative app stores is about third-party developers receiving money for apps without the manufacturer getting a cut.

Seems very related.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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You can do all sorts of "monopolistic abuse" on your platform as long as it is small and inconsequential. No one cares, even if it was illegal, though it mostly is not. But the rules and scrutiny changes once you become large enough to be "considered" a monopoly i.e. once your decisions and policies start affecting a significant portion of the market/ecosystem, then your policies are going to be subject to new regula…

> You can do all sorts of "monopolistic abuse" on your platform as long as it is small and inconsequential. This statement feels like an oxymoron.

> > You can do all sorts of "monopolistic abuse" on your platform as long as it is small and inconsequential.

> This statement feels like an oxymoron.

Only if one lacks the imagination to expand "monopolistic abuse" (note the quotes) into "abuse that would be 'monopolistic' if the perpetrator were big enough".

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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The Mac App Store gives a hint at what would happen if there was any choice. The amount of software actually available for the Mac is far, far greater than what’s listed in the store. Furthermore, while some quality and notable apps are still in the Mac App Store, many well-known apps are not there. The number of lousy apps is also extremely high every time I go to search or just look at the front page, to the point…

This is about allowing alternative payment systems for purchases made in-app. Not necessarily alternative app stores / install mechanisms, which is a separate issue.

Yes. And which Apple is already supporting for their current definition of "Reader" apps.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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one of the first regulations that make sense: more free market. As long as there are regulators with a lot of power there will be incentive to corruption anyway. I like free competition. Something that Google and Apple were trying to prevent. But putting all in the hands of an ever-increasing state is not the way to go either. Though I gree with the decision.

> one of the first regulations that make sense: more free market State regulations dictating conditions to market participants cannot make something more “free market”. They can favor more competition by artificially limiting the advantage of the most successful competitors, but that's not “free market”, which is the absence of market distortion by state regulation, not the presence of only those market distortions t…

I prefer what you state actually: 100% free competition. I just said that they were basically doing what to me seems like a cartel unfavoring competition.

Anyway, with more freee market this maybe would not happen though I cannot be 100% sure since the investment it takes to do an OS ecosystem is not at the reach of everyone, making fewer competitors viable.

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preventing your grandma from using whatsapp through technological friction must be one of the worst ways to handle it. this extremely selfish, I've seen whatsapp let old people enjoy internet like we did as kids. if you want to be a responsible member of the tech community at least take the time to educate your own grandma.

Conversely, eliminating the friction required for Grandma to unwittingly hand over her personal information isn't exactly an altruistic response. It's a lose-lose situation, you may as well just support the more open platform if they're both bunk anyways.

that strawman conveniently ignored my point about taking an active role in the education of people close to you.

when someone I knew got hit by ransomware I felt responsible so I offered people close to me help understanding basic computer hygiene to prevent this sort of thing, and a lot took my offer.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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>If someone else doesn't want to pay 30% to Apple, then they should have that right too. They have that right they can choose to not develop on Apples platform.

> They have that right they can choose to not develop on Apples platform. The same argument also applies to Korea. Apple has the choice of allowing other payment systems, or they can choose not to sell in Korea.

I agree - and they should do that and make a massive public deal about why they are no longer serving that region.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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The law should be that people can easily install 3rd party app stores on your platform, just like when M$ was forced to allow other browsers to be installed on their OS.

The idea that their app store must accept an app that makes money from other sources seems kinda backwards. You run an app store for profit. Just like I can't go into Target and sell my products on a popped up table, but I can open a store down the street to sell my products.

Make it so installation of stores is easy, and then let the market work it out.

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