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Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by [deleted] »

perryizgr8 wrote: post #130
commoner wrote: post #58

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Actually, Airbnb does have strict anti-steering rules just like Apple and Google do. Several lines from their off-platform policy: > In order to protect our community and business, the following behaviors are prohibited: > Taking people off of the Airbnb platform for new, partial, or future bookings > Contacting potential guests prior to booking on Airbnb to move the booking off of Airbnb (ex: offering discounts to b…

I get that. But what will they do? I can still flout their rules. Problem with iOS is that I can't do what I want with the hardware I paid for.

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Post by perryizgr8 »

commoner wrote: post #202
perryizgr8 wrote: post #130

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I get that. But what will they do? I can still flout their rules. Problem with iOS is that I can't do what I want with the hardware I paid for.

Airbnb can ban you from their platform. This is more of a problem for hosts (since Airbnb dominates the "home-sharing" market) than for guests (who have plenty of hotel and vacation rental options).

As a host, even if airbnb bans me, I can still do whatever I want with my own property. That is not true when it comes to iPhone. I am out of luck as a user and also as a dev, my phone becomes a paperweight unless I abide by apple's rules.

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Post by muh_gradle »

stirlo wrote: post #4

Finally. This is exactly how regulators should respond to the market abuse of these technology monopolies. If they wanted to head this off all they had to do was pay a reasonable amount of tax in the country where the revenue was generated and offer a reasonable (single percentage) fee for facilitating payments. They chose not to so they reap what they sow

Agreed. Hopefully we see a growing trend on this.

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Post by simion314 »

monkeywork wrote: post #181
ethbr0 wrote: post #51

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Developers (and users) deserve choice . If you want to pay 30% to Apple to take care of that for you, then you should be able to. If someone else doesn't want to pay 30% to Apple, then they should have that right too. I've lived through both fragmented platforms and unified platforms, and I'll take the former any day. They're messy, but fair and dynamic. And critically, they evolve and allow new competition to emerge…

>If someone else doesn't want to pay 30% to Apple, then they should have that right too. They have that right they can choose to not develop on Apples platform.

>They have that right they can choose to not develop on Apples platform.

This is the EXACT same choice you or Apple/Google the company not to use electricity, nobody comes with guns and forces you to connect your stuff to the electric grid. I can be a business but not make a mobile app for iOS and Google Store because I think this companies are evil, I am "forced" similarly on how I have to use electricity.

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Post by makecheck »

The Mac App Store gives a hint at what would happen if there was any choice. The amount of software actually available for the Mac is far, far greater than what’s listed in the store. Furthermore, while some quality and notable apps are still in the Mac App Store, many well-known apps are not there. The number of lousy apps is also extremely high every time I go to search or just look at the front page, to the point where Apple does itself no favors by even drawing attention to most of the apps on that store (and it gives the impression that “most” Mac software must be like this).

If they simply listed all major Mac apps, e.g. linking to their web sites or download links or whatever, they would hugely increase the value of the Mac platform and bring enough direct benefit to developers to be worth some kind of fee (and of course Apple gets $99/year anyway). Instead, they tried to port the same clueless, greedy, review-burdened scheme to that store, layering completely unnecessary requirements on top (like poorly-thought-out sandboxing). And since developers had a choice, they mostly said No.

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Post by yunohn »

derefr wrote: post #304
mc32 wrote: post #255

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That's my take too on what poster is saying. Yet, it's not out of the ordinary to presume apple and google have good strategists among the management ranks... so what gives? What do we not know?

Presumably, that they already do volume discounts/sweetheart deals with certain vendors. Apple allows Microsoft to publish packages through their App Store that install non-sandboxed apps, for example. I’m sure they’re giving them a discount as well. They’re a “strategic partner.” Epic is not.

Which apps does MS do this with? Office is a bundle, right?

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Post by kzrdude »

Hamuko wrote: post #47
weddpros wrote: post #27

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and they can, because there's not a single EU company with an app store to harm. App stores are designed for profit, not simply for our convenience. Imagine a government forcing AirBnb to let people pay hand to hand to the owner of the apartment. It's the same issue, right?

Right, because GDPR was enacted not because it was a good idea, but rather because GDPR only harmed non-European companies.

Gdpr was a jobs program for European web devs :)

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Post by zrm »

Closi wrote: post #252
cletus wrote: post #209

Good. I've been saying this awhile, most notably when Apple (of course followed by Google) introduced a discount on commission for smaller developers. This is completely backwards. I know why they did it. They wanted some positive PR that didn't cost them anything. Thing is, it's the larger publishers who are going to lobby regulators and challenge things in court. It's those same publishers who already have their ow…

> So what Apple/Google should've done is give larger publishers a volume discount. From Apple/Google's perspective this is a terrible strategy. The problem is that, if we assume the Pareto Principle holds, the larger publishers probably generate 80% of revenue on the App Store. So assuming 5% is operating at cost, you are talking about them probably sacrificing 70%-75% of their current profits (i.e. moving to 5% marg…

Not only that, "we charge 10% to the big monster and 30% to the little guy" is terrible PR against the amount of money they would generate from just the little guy. It's so bad that by that point they might as well just charge the lower rate to everybody. Especially when they're trying to stave off legislation.

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Post by jkestner »

DocTomoe wrote: post #308
Analemma_ wrote: post #246

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Apple very pointedly does _not_ offer total customer management. As an iOS developer, I don’t know who my customers are; I can’t contact them; I can’t offer them a refund, demo, or promo code; I can’t have any kind of relationship with them whatsoever. It’s infuriatingly archaic and useless. Whatever that system is, it certainly isn’t “total customer management”.

That sounds like a problem, but as a customer, I see that as a feature. I do not want to be mailbombed by everyone who has ever written an app I used for some time in the past.

And there are other features that I’d like as a customer that Apple will not let developers offer. More payment options, for example. Why not have the choice of multiple app stores and let the market sort them out? We’ll see the best ideas adopted by all.
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