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yeah but it doesn’t make your body exactly like someone with different chromosomes than you that lived with that hormone set their entire life through puberty etc, and with a different bone structure and musculature
I believe this is one reason why some trans people are very keen for their hormonal therapy to begin before puberty.
I feel like with this issue at some point we are bound to reach a breaking point. It's just a question of how far along things will go before we get there. People are more and more open about being transgender and there is more and more support for transgender individuals having the chance to live life as their correct gender. This is a great thing! However, it presents a huge problem for women's athletics, particula…
Perhaps I am way of base here. But it seems to me like MTF athletes simply should not be allowed in sports where testosterone would be considered doping (or some other criterion to determine whether having been biologically male is a significant advantage). My proposal would clearly suck for MTF athletes. They'd be forced to either drop from competitions, or compete in the men's league. An MTF athlete competing in a…
Actually, AFAIK some (many? the majority? almost all? who knows...) of what we think of as "mens leagues" are already "open leagues". Can't recall if it was our national football league (Finland's Valioliiga), or the UEFA or FIFA (maybe all of them?) that simply doesn't have a rule "the Valioliiga / UEFA Champions League / Euro Cup / FIFA World Cup is only for men". So in theory women could compete there, too... They just don't.
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Well established: a woman is an adult human female. Try a dictionary, biology textbook, etc. You might not like it, but you can’t reasonably say that it’s not well established. I hope you agree that a “transgender woman”, or, to use more neutral language, a trans identified man, is not female. That’s the entire issue here. Reasonable: see the above. Also, implied by the users of the term itself. If a T.W. is a W., wh…
> If a T.W. is a W., why do they say T.W.? If a human female is a human, why do we say human female? Because it adds additional, usually relevant, context.
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Cis women are 50% of the population while transgender women are less than 1% of the population. Excluding 50% of the population from sports is obviously more problematic than excluding less than 1%, even if both are not ideal.
More than 99.9% are excluded from Olympic-level sports anyway.
Yours is a non-argument.
At some point we need to stop and realise that some problems just don’t have a solution that is going to please everybody. In this case there is an option to annihilate hopes and dreams of either transgender athletes, or women. Both options suck, but the second one affects disproportionately more people.
How many minorities are you willing to apply this to? And in how many areas of life and society?
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You don't have the right not to be offended. No matter how many times you ask.
You have a right not to be intentionally offended. Because that is an attack.
Seems lots of people get intentionally offended nowadays... Only the intention is their own.
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As long as you're fine with excluding people who were born with the physical characteristics historically associated with the word "woman" from all sports, that will work. I don't think that can be the woke position, though. Women's sports are generally a carve-out. Women can't compete with men in most sports. Because of that, I don't think that women should be excluded from men's sports. "Men's sports" are just spor…
So your argument is that men are inherently superior to women in all physical aspects? Yea, no bias there...
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> I want these people to be recognized as what they identify; women. Even if they don't have the right chromosomes, there is atleast a dozen reasons someone might still have grown up as female or identifies female. Replace gender with race. Do you feel the same way about race?
Well, I didn't know that race is determined by your chromosomes. TIL I guess. And I don't see how someone would identify as black if they aren't, it's a melatin level in the skin. The issues about race have less to do with the issues about transgender people, and more with their struggles faced by fault of modern society, in addition to the struggles one would face as transgender and/or female, which can intersect qu…
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I won't risk saying this in real life or anywhere where my real identity is known, but I do wonder if the end result will be similar to what's common in many parts of Asia: a third/fourth gender. Instead of saying trans people are 100% identical to the gender they identify as, they'll be seen as something different. E.g., In Thailand there's the concept of kathoey (westerners refer to them as ladyboys). The Indian su…
Sad to say third/fourth gender is mostly still unacceptable in most Asian countries. Only acceptable in small part of Asians. Third/fourth gender is more acceptable in ancient Asia though. In Thailand Kathoy mostly compete in Men Category.
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Well, I didn't know that race is determined by your chromosomes. TIL I guess. And I don't see how someone would identify as black if they aren't, it's a melatin level in the skin. The issues about race have less to do with the issues about transgender people, and more with their struggles faced by fault of modern society, in addition to the struggles one would face as transgender and/or female, which can intersect qu…
You do realize there are descendants of black people with fair skin that look almost European otherwise but identify with their ancestors kept down under segregation? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._K._Butterfield