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How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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Window management is even greater s*show. To the point that you need 3rd party apps to make it usable.

It's absolutely awful. My 2500$ macbook's window processing is at least 10 times slower than my 250$ thinkpad with linux. It's insane that such simple things don't work on such an established and valuable brand.

My 2019 16" Macbook pro drops more animation frames then the aging $400 windows laptop I helped my grandmother use.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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post #53

Youngsters these days! Back in the 1980s and 90s, the differences between MacOS and Windows were as day and night. (Windows 1 didn't even support overlapping windows. Windows 3 had weird stuff like icons that didn't map to underlying filesystem objects so when you dragged a "file" to the "trash" you weren't actually deleting a file, you were deleting a symbolic representation of the file. Windows put a separate menu…

What is the difference between a pull down menu and a drop down menu?

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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post #346

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I'm confused. If I click "ask again tomorrow", it asks again tomorrow. But, I still haven't figured out how to delay Windows updates (granted I haven't looked into it seriously yet since I only use it for casual gaming). The point is, the default UI allows users to delay they update on MacOS easily, while Windows does not.

Windows Update has a clearly displayed "delay for 7 days" button. There's also advanced settings with more knobs. macOS just nags you everyday.

Not on my system. I just get the updates. Shrug.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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I bought a Mac in 2014 after a lifetime of using Windows. I never understood why people called it easier to use than Windows. Maybe this sentiment is a holdover from an earlier era when people would mindlessly run executables and zip files attached in emails and AIM messages. From a UI perspective, it's 90% identical to windows. From a UX perspective though, something fundamental like Finder is still not up to the jo…

The Mac finder always drives me nuts for the same reason. Both the finder and explorer are tedious to use. I drag the explorer to the task bar and open it by right clicking File Explorer. Both seem to prefer creating new folders to creating new views of the file system.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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I haven't done something like that on an iPad, but I think that Apple want people to use these devices in a way that every app have their files, like for example iPods used to store the music (you could drop files on the iPod storage but you need iTunes to insert your MP3s on the "player app"). The best thing you could do is looking for a tutorial to do that, and also a software to control that iPad remotely, so you…

I based my purchasing decision on existing tutorials. But a recent iTunes update obsoleted those (iTunes won't manage your books anymore).

Your first mistake was dancing with the devil that is iTunes. It is one of the worst pieces of software I've had the dubious privilege of using, and I have used HP Quality Center and SeaPine Source Control.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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Can you give some examples of applications you're comparing?

it doesn't really depend on the application. every MacOS application has a menu in the same style, and with the menu & help file spotlight search that I described. I find almost no Windows app has something equivalent (as in a menu search), plus they have a multitude of differently shaped menus with various guidelines for how to structure them.

To be honest, the programs I use commonly like Discord, Streamlabs OBS, Ramme, Typora and Poddr haven't really been good for that.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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This is the thing about Macs - people think they are intuitive because they have learned how to use them over X number of years. Including, I believe, those building the OS at Apple. But for a person who isn't familiar with them, they are absolutely not intuitive. And any time there is a complaint, the community is like "Oh, dummy, just do this thing that is not obvious at all, how could you not figure that out?"

>This is the thing about Macs - people think they are intuitive because they have learned how to use them over X number of years You can say that again. I never had to interact with a Mac in my life (Macs weren't popular in Eastern Europe so I grew up with Windows and Linux) and later in life at one job interview, the tech lead gave me his Macbook and told me to code a sorting function in JS and stepped out for 10 mi…

I hate that stuff, it seems like every other minute I've moved my mouse too far and I'm suddenly in one of several completely different screens or views, I then need to figure out how to get back to where I was and perform the appropriate action, and then remember where I was beforehand.

I've annoyed a couple of people by disabling all their hot corners when I've used their Macs lol.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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post #626

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I based my purchasing decision on existing tutorials. But a recent iTunes update obsoleted those (iTunes won't manage your books anymore).

Your first mistake was dancing with the devil that is iTunes. It is one of the worst pieces of software I've had the dubious privilege of using, and I have used HP Quality Center and SeaPine Source Control.

I used whatever Apple seemed to suggest I use.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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post #593

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> Why is it that when I click Finder, nothing actually opens? This would be an example of the 10% of the UI which isn't identical. One of the fundamental differences between macOS and Windows is the menu bar. There's only one at a time, and it belongs to the program which has the focus. A corollary of this is that you don't need a window to have a program. It's not just Finder, most macOS programs are perfectly happy…

"I've probably already typed Cmd-N or Cmd-O, depending." This is, particularly for a novice or intermediate user IMO quite intimidating. It means there is some learnt behavior + keyboard command required to "see anything" and work with the program. If I'm using my trackpad/mouse trying to work out after I start a program why I can't see anything like I've seen new Mac users do for some time it isn't great. Because th…

It's not necessary to hit either of those though. I don't think I have any weird configuration for window management, but if I close all the windows of an application, clicking the dock icon for it opens a new window. So from the perspective of the user it's no different than if the application had truly exited. I think that's why the default settings for the dock don't even indicate what's running.

(I don't think it's a good thing to keep applications running when the last window is closed, but that's a different argument)

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