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Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Post by merdadicapra »

astrange wrote: post #484
merdadicapra wrote: post #194

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> the only actual performance most consumers are likely to notice Remember when Apple made the Power Mac QUAD , to indicate that the system had FOUR processors, because "men should not live of single thread performance alone"? > "With quad-core processing, a new PCI Express architecture and the fastest workstation card from Nvidia, the new Power Mac G5 Quad is the most powerful system we've ever made," Philip Schille…

The multicore performance is good for a portable, because background threads can run on the efficiency cores without making the whole system thermal throttle. Intel can't do that.

I was literally saying the same thing, it's OP that said

> M1 and follow-ups are about single thread performance, the only actual performance most consumers are likely to notice

I beg to differ, multi core performances will be very much noticeable as well.

Especially in this heavy media era

video encoding, image editing, music production etc. are things that nowadays every kid does

single core performances are good only for benchmarks and marketing

Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Post by alkonaut »

wmf wrote: post #520
alkonaut wrote: post #245

Why a new SoC? Isn't the M1 basically maxiing out what can be done on a SoC, but what's missing is the version with external memory and GPU? They can refresh the core in the M1 of course, and I expect they will do that yearly like the AXX cores, but it would be weird to go even 2 generations of the SoC without addressing the pro cpu.

Apple could easily fit 2x-4x the performance on an SoC so that's what people expect the M1X and M1Z to be. Note that it's still an SoC if it has "external" memory (Apple's "unified memory" isn't what people think).

> it's still an SoC if it has "external" memory

I meant "soldered ram next to SoC with cpu and gpu cores", i.e. not DIMMs and 200W PCIe GPU. For a pro chip in a desktop form factor I think DIMMs and PCIe graphics are inevitable, and that's the interesting storyline in the evolution of the M1. We know they'll produce better M1's, but the integration with 3rd party graphics, the choice of DIMM type and so on is interesting.

Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Post by WalterGR »

spfzero wrote: post #598
amelius wrote: post #377

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> Just imagine Apple releasing the Mx chips for server infrastructure. Intel ought to be sweating bullets now. As a developer, I'm sweating bullets. Imagine a future where Apple is the only serious platform left on mobile, server and desktop, then developers can forget about starting that next disruptive startup and instead they will become just second-class Apple "employees" with contracts similar to Uber drivers.

As a developer, I’m hyperventilating with anticipation of a tool that significantly advances past the previous generation. Finally, something more than an incremental bump. Nothing gets me thinking about disruption more, than new, faster, cheaper platforms. We’ve had to accept 10% better per generation for way too long.

I feel like you may be being sarcastic. What are your thoughts?

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Post by cainxinth »

bredren wrote: post #203
Pulcinella wrote: post #81

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Yeah I imagine the Radeon support was for the Pro and the existing Intel Macs (though I don’t know if those Radeon GPUs are really supported via eGPU. Are there enclosures where they fit?) Still I can’t see Apple only developing one integrated GPU per year unless they somehow figure out how to magically make them somewhat approach Nvidia and AMDs modern chips. What would the ARM Mac Pro use? It seems that Apple has p…

>It seems that Apple has put in a lot of development resources into getting Octane to support Metal...and I can’t just imagine that happening just to support the the Apple Silicon GPUs. At the start there will still be a lot more Mac Pros running AMD hardware that must be supported. It may not be obvious, but Apple has repair work to do in the pro community. Four years ago this month, Apple unusually disclosed that i…

> So, unless Apple simultaneously was trying to honor pro users while also laying plans to abandon them...

You say that like Apple doesn’t do stuff like that all the time.

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Post by inDigiNeous »

josephg wrote: post #536
selectodude wrote: post #390

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My 2016 MacBook Pro has been an absolute pleasure to use. It's small, light, great battery life, plenty of performance, I consider it the second incarnation of my favorite laptop ever, the Titanium PowerBook G4. Except for the keyboard. Been replaced three times. It's defective by design. Such a letdown.

I have the opposite experience with my 2016 MacBook Pro. It feels really sluggish to me now. 2 cores is nowhere near enough, and the integrated graphics chip doesn’t feel fast enough for everyday tasks if you have external monitors connected. I’m on a video call in discord the machine lags so much it’s unusable. Xcode with swift is basically useless - it lags so much sometimes doing who knows what that it drops keyst…

Interesting. How much ram do you have ? Using a 4k external monitor ?

Just wondering, don't those cores still have HyperThreading or such, resulting in actually more cores than just 2 physical ones ?

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Post by hajile »

jjeaff wrote: post #596
hajile wrote: post #591

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Apple ships a 30w charger with the M1 air. I can't find any zen 3 shipping with less than a 65w charger. Mac mini uses like 25-27w at the wall. 15-25w TDP for the 5800u doesn't include RAM (it's LPDDR4 at 1.1v will use a lot more power than M1 LPDDR4x at 0.6v). 5800u also has a chipset that consumes a few watts. 5800u has some features that the M1 does not (these would likely increase M1 power usage), but still doesn…

Does the charger wattage mean anything? Couldn't it be that they are including a larger supply in order to charge faster?

I don’t have any solid numbers on 5800u, so I didn’t want to make any claims.

4800u isn’t that different as far as power goes (mostly different in performance). A mini-PC with it uses almost 70 watts under load.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16236/asrock-4x4-box4800u-ren...

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Post by jonplackett »

philjones_ca wrote: post #131
jonplackett wrote: post #30

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The Apple's second version of everything is always the one to get. The first version is always exciting, but usually comes at some large expense. - iPhone 2 had 3G and was so much better than 1 - iPad 2 was about 3 X slimmer/lighter than 1 Lots of other examples if I though about it.

The original Intel MacBook comes to mind as well - released with the (32-bit) Core Duo processor in May 2006 - replaced with (64-bit) Core 2 Duo model in November 2006 It only was supported through to 10.6 Snow Leopard as 10.7 Lion went 64-bit only

I got shafted with a similar 6 month duff product - the iPad 3. Now that was a bad decision. The iPad 4 came out later that year, with about 4X better performance and a switch to the lightning connector too.

I was so burned by that experience that I only bought an iPad again a month ago.

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Post by darthrupert »

When I was young, every time I got a new computer (which wasn't often, but it happened a few times), the new machine was absurd amounts faster than the previous one. Like 10 times more processing power and memory.

I'm glad we can live that feeling again, even if just for a short while.

Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Post by walterbell »

Arm-based laptops that are competitive with Apple M1+ could arrive as early as 2023, powered by a Qualcomm SoC based on their $1.4B acquisition of Nuvia, lead by a team that designed Apple's M1, iPad and iPhone SoCs. This would likely run Windows for ARM and Linux. Hopefully it will also include hardware virtualization support, like M1.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Post by berkeleyjunk »

cma wrote: post #456
bombcar wrote: post #422

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Each individual risk Apple takes is small - they didn’t develop the M1 from scratch; they have years of iPhone and iPad processor development under their belt.

Apple started working with ARM in the 80s, eventually used in the Newton. I don't know that they did design directly, but they influenced the changes that became ARM6.

I would speculate that the Palo Alto (P.A. Semi) acquisition is what kicked off this round of the Apple semiconductor (r)evolution.
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