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Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by tyingq »

lhorie wrote: post #616
blhack wrote: post #39

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…

This is a really good example of how terrible people are at judging scale. Some numbers getting thrown around downthread say there's something to the tune of 10,000 40ft containers. To give a bit of a sense of perspective, that's like trying to clear out some 200 football fields worth of semi-trucks, except they are stacked, packed full of stuff, and have no gas or wheels. And all of them are perched atop a ship that…

All true, though I imagine the plan is unloading only some of the containers in conjunction with dredging, pumping out fuel, etc. Still huge scale, but I imagine getting just one of the ends out of the sand would open up more options.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by [deleted] »

lhorie wrote: post #616
blhack wrote: post #39

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…

This is a really good example of how terrible people are at judging scale. Some numbers getting thrown around downthread say there's something to the tune of 10,000 40ft containers. To give a bit of a sense of perspective, that's like trying to clear out some 200 football fields worth of semi-trucks, except they are stacked, packed full of stuff, and have no gas or wheels. And all of them are perched atop a ship that…

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Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by rosstex »

hunter2_ wrote: post #601
samizdis wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Some people have suggested unloading the ship. I don't think you realize the infrastructure required to unload a ship. It seems, though, that a partial unloading is being considered by a professional in the field according to quotes in an article in The Guardian [1]: However, Peter Berdowski, CEO of Boskalis, a specialist dredging company that has sent a crew to the scene, said data so far suggested “it is not real…

Perhaps the classic beached whale clearing technique [0] would work. [0] https://youtu.be/V6CLumsir34

I don't have to click that to know what it is.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by hellotomyrars »

rohitb91 wrote: post #404
Zhenya wrote: post #379

Can't wait for elon to offer a solution...

Which citizen and insult will he come up with next

This time perhaps he’ll hire a private investigator who isn’t a total huckster.

Better yet just hire dozens and wait until one shakes something loose that way he can substantiate his bullshit before he spews it.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by mark_mart »

agotterer wrote: post #423
WJW wrote: post #32

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The Dutch national news had an interview with the CEO of Boskalis, which is the company hired to unlodge the ship. They have one team on the ground atm and another building computer simulations exactly to calculate how much oil and ballast they can pump out (to lighten the ship up and make it easier to tow) without endangering the stability of the ship. Apparently they had a similar case (same size of ship) a few yea…

I’ve always wondered what something like this costs and who is responsible for paying the bill?

I have the same question. I would think EverGreen as they are the root cause of problem. And it seems they cause regularly. (similar thing happened a few years ago by the very same ship)

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by neogodless »

tyingq wrote: post #594
lmilcin wrote: post #568

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There are 20 thousand containers on that ship. No, that's not a mistake. It says it can carry 20 thousand and I assume it travels at capacity. Even if you could somehow launch one every minute that would still take 2 weeks of non-stop bombardment. Fascinating how much stuff you can put on a ship and the scale of loading/unloading operation.

It has a max capacity of 20 thousand TEU, which is "20 foot equivalents". Most of the containers on the ship appear to be 40 foot ones. So 10,000 is probably closer to the total number. Edit: It may also not be "full". Here's a top/bottom picture with the most "full" I could find on the top, and the current situation on the bottom. https://imgur.com/a/b8neNkR Edit: So maybe 6000 40 foot containers, current state?

In the photo where it looks quite full, the visible edge containers appear to be about 10x24x28 or 6,720 not accounting for missing ones on the top layers. In a photo from today it looked closer to only 6,000. Of course this methodology may be flawed or have some bad assumptions. Like containers below the visible deck layer??!

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by rektide »

lizzard wrote: post #547
rapnie wrote: post #319

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In the middle parts of the ship it is probably not grounded, so you might have ropes below the hull with large inflatable balloons on both sides below water level, to give the ship extra lift. Then on a high tide, with oil & water removed, maybe some dredging on the sides where it needs to rotate to, and.. go!

I totally came here to suggest huge balloons!

/larry ellison flies in & starts using his fuel cell zeppelin to save the day

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by rektide »

stickfigure wrote: post #615
Zhenya wrote: post #379

Can't wait for elon to offer a solution...

I know that is a joke but if you wanted to generate enough force to push the ship off the bank, a rocket is one of the few technologies that would do the trick. I wouldn't want to stand downwind, though.

you are thinking 1.0 scale. you need to start thinking starlink scale enterprising. quantity not quality. one rocket would rip the ship into pieces. what's actually needed is a long 2d matrix of rockets, distributed broadly the across EVER GIVEN, pushing the bow in, the stern out & back. out like she came.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by stjohnswarts »

[deleted] wrote: post #622
lhorie wrote: post #616

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a really good example of how terrible people are at judging scale. Some numbers getting thrown around downthread say there's something to the tune of 10,000 40ft containers. To give a bit of a sense of perspective, that's like trying to clear out some 200 football fields worth of semi-trucks, except they are stacked, packed full of stuff, and have no gas or wheels. And all of them are perched atop a ship that…

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It probably was when it was initially built :) .

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by mark_mart »

neartheplain wrote: post #281
qbasic_forever wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know there's probably someone doing the cost-benefit analysis right now to see if just digging a new canal channel around the ship would be faster and cheaper than removing it.

Why dig when you can blast? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Chagan

I see you like to blast things hah. That canal was built in 10 years.
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