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Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by isostatic »

makomk wrote: post #240
isostatic wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

European Commissioners are selected by natioanl governments. The president of the commission is voted for by the people (Juncker received the most votes in 2014) Does America vote for the secretary of transportation? In theory under say a westminster system MPs can take control. This is almost unprecedented until last night. Even when they do push non-controversial laws (Private Member bills, like the upskirting one…

It might be illuminating to talk about what it meant for Juncker to receive the most votes in 2014. First up, there are no EU-wide political parties, just shifting alliances of local national parties, none of which have more than 30% of the MEPs. For the 2014 elections, they came to a deal where the alliance with the most MEPs got their choice as President of the European Commission. (Which is not how it's supposed t…

> This is very different from the UK system, where each party and its leader agrees on their platform for the next election, publishes it as a manifesto, and runs collectively on the promise of enacting those policies if they win.

Not what Tory MPs say. They say things like

  > Neither Cabinet, MPs nor Party Policy Forum ever saw or debated it. It was roundly rejected 
  > and widely agreed to have cost us our majority, leaving the mandate in Parliament, not the 
  > Party. (As I wrote in @Telegraph the morning after). Lost majority=Lost mandate.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by dekajoo »

zaarn wrote: post #262
montenegrohugo wrote: post #241

A big part of the problem is that there is no single entity that defends the citizens interest in this instance. You have the Disney's of the world heavily lobbying to pass reforms like these, but who protests against it? - Online signatures? Gets laughed out of the room. They could be fake, they don't mean anything, they are paid, etc.. - Voting? Voting cycles are too long and voting decisions cannot be made on a si…

EU Elections are coming up. Vote for the pirate faction in your country or check who voted what and only vote for those parties that voted against A13 or if there are none, parties that are vocal against A13. Same goes for your countries own election cycle.

Where can I find such list ?

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by eloisant »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #295
philpem wrote: post #226

As I said on one of the other threads... 26 March 2019. The day the Internet died. (at least in Europe) But of course -- "the Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" -- so what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels into other countries. That'd be interesting. It'd render GeoIP rather moot, among other things. I suspect the EU and Member States'…

What's weird to me is: Europe isn't exactly a content powerhouse. Why are they so concerned with copyright protections?

It's easier for copyright owners in Europe to pain themselves to politicians as small and weak, needing protection from laws to avoid being eaten by the US giants

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Post by growlist »

jgowdy wrote: post #447

What amazes me is with GDPR, so many people were cheerleaders of Europe being the regulator of the internet. Regardless of what you think of GDPR, once we get a political body comfortable with the idea of regulating the internet, this is what we get. The next wall they're working on knocking down is the national sovereignty boundaries of the reach of laws. It's already in progress and soon we will have European natio…

Not to mention, national sovereignty being overridden if a country has the temerity to dissent from the globalist consensus: 'what, you have concerns about the arrival of tens of thousands of undocumented migrants from countries with cultures vastly different to your own? NAZI!'

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by anoncake »

Pharmakon wrote: post #605
anoncake wrote: post #537

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> You’re confusing among other things, the branding with the reality. I have no idea how you got that idea considering I just wrote that the systems we call democracies may not be all that democratic in reality.

That’s not what I’m saying. Rather it’s a problem that “democratic” is largely an unhelpful term which obscures rather than reveals anything about a political system.

Only if you choose to ignore its actual meaning and insist on treating it as a buzzword.

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Post by gabbygab »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #295
philpem wrote: post #226

As I said on one of the other threads... 26 March 2019. The day the Internet died. (at least in Europe) But of course -- "the Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" -- so what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels into other countries. That'd be interesting. It'd render GeoIP rather moot, among other things. I suspect the EU and Member States'…

What's weird to me is: Europe isn't exactly a content powerhouse. Why are they so concerned with copyright protections?

That may or may not be true, but Europe is more of a content powerhouse than a internet/tech powerhouse. Their content is a bigger money maker than their tech. So it is in their interest to punish tech and protect tech.

It's also why China has such lax IP laws. They are more of a manufacturing powerhouse than an IP powerhouse ( for now at least ) so they have little to gain with stringent IP laws. When their IP portfolio increases, you can bet that their government would be all about IP protection.

And going back even further, we had some of the laxest IP laws in the western world during the 1800s because we had so little IP to protect. Which allowed our businesses to take a ton of IP from IP-rich britain and europe.

It's greed and selfishness.

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Post by yannovitch »

lagadu wrote: post #308
sprash wrote: post #124

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I never said that the US is a great example for a functioning democracy. The best example for democracy is Switzerland. It also has the highest standard of living in the world as a result.

Surely you're aware that Switzerland is close to implementing broadly the same law?

Can you link to the law you're referring to ?

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Post by moate »

tremon wrote: post #452
moate wrote: post #438

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It's a feature, not a bug. As much as people want strong individuals as representatives, time has shown over and over again that a well oiled machine (party) will be much stronger. Those parties then create rules that reinforce the need for coalitions and weaken individuals. Representative democracy is meant to be a way to mitigate the problem of true democracy, which is the idea that it's easier to build a consensus…

I happen to disagree with the dogma that a strong government is a good government, so in my eyes it's a bug.

I mean strong vs weak government is really a whole other discussion.

Parties exist almost as a separate mechanism than government itself. They're more strongly tied to elections and voting than any specific application or creation of policy. They're about how we select our leaders, not what our leaders can do.

Unless your goal is to short circuit the process by created additional bureaucracy/difficulty in the process, it still doesn't seem like a bug. And if that is your goal, it seems more that you have a problem with the law creation/implementation and not how people's voices are being represented.

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Post by phillnom »

nicc wrote: post #586
adev_ wrote: post #514

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> The media is usually biased towards left-wing ideology, with a globalist spin. Since Macron embodies both those ideals, it's easy to see why he gets helped by the media. Ahahah, the good joke. Most medias, everywhere world-wide are owned by billionars and follow the media-line of their owner. These guys are of course, conservative, right side, sometimes liberal .... but definitively not "left". Qualifying guys like…

> Ahahah, the good joke. Mmm... Can you explain the media in the US are so much against Trump--with the majority of journalists still pushing for fake news about Russian bots and government intervention even after official investigations are closed, and with some of them even crying live when the Muller investigation conclusions came out? Or, can you explain why most major news outlets in the States are categorized a…

Being against Trump doesn't make them leftists.
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