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Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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This will be an unpopular perspective on the matter, so you have been warned: Article 13 only affects for-profit platforms that host and share copyrighted material. These platforms are run by big corporations that turn a huge profit by way of selling your personal data, violating your privacy, and having a persuasive (addictive) design in order to glue you to the screen so they can maximize their ad revenue, dismissi…

"Such [content-sharing] services should not include services that have a main purpose other than that of enabling users to upload and share a large amount of copyright-protected content with the purpose of obtaining profit from that activity."

Well, if that's true, then the big question becomes what counts as for-profit. Do you need to be incorporated? What about a blog that has some ads to pay for server costs? Will Europeans be able to upload to Youtube as long as they turn monetisation off?

If being non-profit is the big way out, then that goes a long way to mitigate the damage from this. Although it still sucks for small content creators who do want to monetize their own creations but lack the resources to create their own platform.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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post #414

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You need only look at the rampant abuse of Content ID to see what the likely result will be... "Sorry, the video you uploaded 'Me playing Beethoven on the piano' contains BEETHOVEN'S 5TH SYMPHONY by BMG-EMI-XYZ Music Corp. You cannot upload this video."

Is that illegal though (wrongly blocking a video)? If it isn’t, YT can just shrug it off.

There is no consequence for filing unsubstantiated claims.

There is consequence for failing to honour substantiated ones.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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What's weird to me is: Europe isn't exactly a content powerhouse. Why are they so concerned with copyright protections?

A lot of European media sees their content stolen and re-uploaded by anonymous users on YT, FB, etc... FB in particular have not responded to this and thus content creators lose a lot of views and money. This video sums it up nicely: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7tA3NNKF0Q

>and thus content creators lose a lot of views and money //

I think this sort of reasoning is largely fallacious. Just because people view your stuff doesn't mean that if you're successful in locking it down that they'll then pay to view it.

I feel the media companies know this and that's one reason they demand ever increasing copyright terms - to avoid older content eating in to current profits.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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post #368

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If you host a video that you don’t own you facilitate copyright theft. Expect a takedown notice and it goes away. These big companies let people upload their own videos. Now they are liable for what their users share. Expect them to disable letting users share videos.

So youtube would stop allowing uploading? That would shut down youtube quickly

It would put them in a Netflix position essentially and force them into being a publisher in the bad old days - demanding extensive paperwork and signing over rights to avoid liability.

So the EU will get corporate-tube at best - assuming they don't just get the China treatment. They thought they were too big to pull out too.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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> The day the Internet died. No. The day the ”Upload Other People's Work" Internet died. > what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels Or just creating their own content. Wouldn't that be awesome?

A couple that might be affected by the lack of a fair use exemption in Article 13: - use of unlicensed samples in music. Goodbye, Soundcloud rap and EDM music scenes! - use of images and video clips in memes. Goodbye, Tumblr and Reddit!

those sites aren't going to leave, they will just leave Europe.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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post #367

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This would be an invalid flag. BMG-EMI-XYZ Music Corp does not own this work, they could only own a certain recording of a certain orchestra playing this piece. And we know that detecting that certain recording via music matching does not work, only checking the strong hash of it would work. Which would be trivial to circumvent by a single bit-flip.

Does it matter when the average person has little to no recourse in the matter? Does it matter when e.g. YT will _punish_ you if you decide to contest it and lose per their arbitrary process?

Just have a look at what was passed today:

> Article 17/9: Where rightholders request to have access to their specific works or other subject matter disabled or those works or other subject matter removed, they shall duly justify the reasons for their requests. Complaints submitted under the mechanism provided for in the first subparagraph shall be processed without undue delay, and decisions to disable access to or remove uploaded content shall be subject to human review. Member States shall also ensure that out-of-court redress mechanisms are available for the settlement of disputes. Such mechanisms shall enable disputes to be settled impartially and shall not deprive the user of the legal protection afforded by national law, without prejudice to the rights of users to have recourse to efficient judicial remedies. In particular, Member States shall ensure that users have access to a court or another relevant judicial authority to assert the use of an exception or limitation to copyright and related rights.

So this also encourages to appeal in court against the current very opaque content upload policies. Certainly this is not strictly better than the current situation (where you can be arbitrarily banned), but definitely progress compared to the situation today, where platforms just act like they see fit.

> Article 17/7: The cooperation between online content-sharing service providers and rightholders shall not result in the prevention of the availability of works or other subject matter uploaded by users, which do not infringe copyright and related rights, including where such works or other subject matter are covered by an exception or limitation.

So overblocking will be costly as well, if enough suitable laws are signed into effect and people start complaining. And this really puts large scale commercial (remember non-profits are exempt) sites in a though spot: they either share revenue with content-creators/their organisations (which are mostly s*, but could be changed...) or they employ even more moderators (remember the small paragraph, where banning is to be done by humans ;)) – which all severly limits the current exploitation of the internet as a big chunk of empty space, where the strongest strongman is going to grab the biggest slice and employs an army of user-slaves.

> Article 17/10: For the purpose of the stakeholder dialogues, users' organisations shall have access to adequate information from online content-sharing service providers on the functioning of their practices with regard to paragraph 4.

I guess already today a lot of people would like to know, how Content-ID blocks their content, but Google can't and won't say (because it will show their dirty secrets...).

=> IMO: all in all, for the average person, the internet might develop back to where it was 20 years ago with select content-providers and quite a large proportion of actual people hosting fun stuff (and moderating their own boards...). If people are as IT-literate as they claim to be (although I doubt that for the large percentage of fortnite-playing #saveyourinternet-people) we might as well enter a real golden age of the internet.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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What amazes me is with GDPR, so many people were cheerleaders of Europe being the regulator of the internet. Regardless of what you think of GDPR, once we get a political body comfortable with the idea of regulating the internet, this is what we get. The next wall they're working on knocking down is the national sovereignty boundaries of the reach of laws. It's already in progress and soon we will have European nations enforcing their perspectives including limits on free speech, worldwide. We have started sliding down the slippery slope my friends.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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post #294

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> What does his personal life have to do with the point you’re making? For the leader of a country, character is important. If I was French it would definitely worry me that my president dated his 40-year-old high school teacher when he was 16, and married a woman 25 years older than him. Not the average Frenchman--which was my point. > Why is it that right wingers want it both ways - Tucker Carlson thinks it’s not a…

Can you spell out what about it worries you? As for Carlson: https://jezebel.com/tucker-carlson-seems-to-have-a-lot-of-fu...

Stop pretending you don’t think it’s weird.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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post #248

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I checked with a French friend, in France (like in Germany) it is illegal to send military forces to do any kind of police like duties. However, under the "terror fighting" emergencies still active, military forces are on French streets.

The line between police and military in France is a bit blurry, given that the two national police forces - police nationale and gendarmerie nationale - are themselves part of the French military. Hell, the Paris fire department is an Army unit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Fire_Brigade

Police Nationale is not part of the military. And fire department and Gendarmerie Nationale being army units has more to do with historical/organizational/governance reasons, than with a military-specific purpose. GN core mission is one of police, pretty similar to PN. Nothing related with the main army corps.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Not all for-profit websites are run by big corporations. The companies you're describing here are also the ones that will find it easiest to comply with these new regulations. YouTube for example was already pressured to create a filtering system, ContentID. Behemoths like Facebook will have a far easier time adapting than your typical startup. Article 13 dooms smaller companies and startups, thus further entrenching…

I have a platform where teenagers can easily create and share games. I'm currently based in Belgium, but with this new revelation, I'm forced to move abroad with my company. (I already checked I could create a Delaware inc) Europe tries to catch up to the Silicon Valley startup scene. But stuff like this makes it pretty clear that EU is too retarded.

> Europe tries to catch up to the Silicon Valley startup scene.

I don't even see them trying to do this...

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