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Singapore introduces caning for boys who bully others at school

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Post by dzonga »

grogenaut wrote: post #560
danpalmer wrote: post #129

The only effective punishment/threat that I saw work on my bullies at school was the threat to remove one of them from the football team and prevent him from playing for the school. He turned it around and was ok after that. It was highly effective because it was a bigger punishment than those used for not doing your homework, and because it was highly relevant to him specifically. It worked because we had 16 student…

I have a peruvian (not athletic/nerdy) friend who moved to the us a while ago. (I played through college) his son randomly started playing football his sophmore year after getting beaned by a baseball and felt baseball was more dangerous. About junior year the kid was having some issues at home. Dad didn't know what to do. I said email the coach. He's like what will that do. I was like coach can make him run (corpora…

this is why those mandatory military programs for youth work. & at times boarding schools.

in boarding school - if I know where you sleep & I have always access it incentivizes you to behave better.

one system - where all the aggression is channeled through. you can't bully - a bully ie drill instructors.

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Post by [deleted] »

markdown wrote: post #113
davyAdewoyin wrote: post #83

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As I previously mentioned, if you actually grew up in a system where corporal punishment is carried out, you would find that point two is not such a bother. No one cares whether a parent or teacher can cane them except they were in the wrong of course, perhaps because it is a culture and a shared experience and I knew a lot of children growing up who prefer the canning to other form of punishment. I think the issue l…

Yup. I and all of my peers would vastly prefer to get a caning, or belting, or piping (hit with a short length of garden hose), or any other form of corporal punishment over something torturous like extra homework. We'd watch Hollywood movies and be bewildered by the misbehavior and lack of respect shown to teachers in classrooms. Every class has square pegs, but with strict teachers, they'd stay in line and not ruin…

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Post by blks »

ecshafer wrote: post #428
blks wrote: post #208

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When you impose gender ideology, gender roles on them from age 0, yeah you will get vastly different outcomes for boys and girls.

I have kids. Children are not a tabula rasa. Boys and Girls act very differently almost right from Birth, and it becomes so much more pronounced as they grow.

I have kids too. What exactly is different in them almost from birth, eg at 3-6 months? Could you describe in details?

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Post by saghm »

danpalmer wrote: post #129

The only effective punishment/threat that I saw work on my bullies at school was the threat to remove one of them from the football team and prevent him from playing for the school. He turned it around and was ok after that. It was highly effective because it was a bigger punishment than those used for not doing your homework, and because it was highly relevant to him specifically. It worked because we had 16 student…

> The problem is that most schools don't do that, would likely argue they don't have time to do that, and also probably spend a fair amount of resources and time on relatively ineffective bullying prevention.

Most schools just care more about their sports teams are doing, so they'd have no interest in a punishment that involved removing a player who otherwise was good enough to make the cut. Look at how many people looked the other way for stuff way worse than bullying at Penn State.

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Post by blks »

mantas wrote: post #392
almostjazz wrote: post #365

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Where exactly is the physical strength of males necessary in modern society? The only circumstance in which there are men strong enough to so something that women can't do is at the most elite level of athletics. Any role relevant to society that would require that level of strength, we have machines for, because the majority of men and women are not elite powerlifters, and because they probably need way more strengt…

There's lots and lots of jobs where physical strength makes a fuckton difference. I don't see construction workers, garbage people or figherfighters using exoskeletons yet. Also, ask women how their mood and abilities swing during their cycles. Both menstrual and life cycle with menopause and stuff. Some have it easy, but many women I know have quite big swings in both cases. And yet modern society requires one to pe…

When was the last time you spoke with a woman other than your mother?

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Post by saghm »

bdangubic wrote: post #559
danpalmer wrote: post #129

The only effective punishment/threat that I saw work on my bullies at school was the threat to remove one of them from the football team and prevent him from playing for the school. He turned it around and was ok after that. It was highly effective because it was a bigger punishment than those used for not doing your homework, and because it was highly relevant to him specifically. It worked because we had 16 student…

the best way to deal with a bully is to punch her/his lights out. the schools should have a martial arts / mma trainer on staff. whover gets bullied has to take classes with martial arts / mma fighter until they can hit the bully hard enough for her/him to eat through a straw for a month. this is the way.

You think that a child being bullied should have to suck it up until they commit forced violence against another child? Maybe beating up a bully is something that happens when adults abdicate all responsibility, but it's insane to claim that's better than "the adults should just do their fucking jobs".

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Post by blks »

mantas wrote: post #486
almostjazz wrote: post #425

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There are women construction workers, garbage people, and firefighters. There are much better reasons why these fields have disproportionately fewer women than a biological barrier to the required level of strength. I am interested to hear what career or societal role you think a women cannot or should not do because of menstrual related mood swings. Because it clearly isn't President of the United States or billiona…

There're always exceptions. But so far what I see it's 100-to-1 if not worse. And I'm not at all surprised that women ain't exactly keen of lugging around heavy weights. Especially due to damage it can do to women-specific health. Or reduced abilities abilities after childbirth for many women. Of course nowadays many women don't care about their reproductive health nor give births, so maybe we don't need societal nor…

I think many men should be much and much more careful about lugging heavy weight as well. This never ends well for their health either.

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Post by Aerroon »

lII1lIlI11ll wrote: post #321
throwawayk7h wrote: post #188

I've never understood the illiberal desire to treat boys and girls so differently. I'm glad I live in a country where sexism is illegal at a fundamental level -- this kind of law would be quickly struck down.

> I've never understood the illiberal desire to treat boys and girls so differently. I'm glad I live in a country where sexism is illegal at a fundamental level -- this kind of law would be quickly struck down. Which country would that be? Unless you are from a select few Norther European countries your military enlistment/draft laws are likely quite sexist.

>Unless you are from a select few Norther European

Even if you were, conscript training is not equally distributed: 24% of conscripts in 2023 were women in Sweden, 32% in 2024 in Norway.

Maybe one day it will get there but it's been a decade and has not got there yet.

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Post by gambiting »

chr1 wrote: post #581
gambiting wrote: post #534

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>>Later they only get ability to sit at the same classes at the same public schoo I have to ask, what public school would accept adults taking classes along the rest of 15 year olds? >> In any case people should be allowed to make choices by themselves not be forced by the government. I'm sorry, but kids/teenagers are generally not allowed to make these choices, for good reasons. If you're an adult, then sure, do wha…

I went to school at 6 years, our schools were for 10 years, and at 16 i went to university. At the university with us were some 20 year olds, who went to school at 7 years, were not able to get to university in their 17, were drafted to army at 18 and came back. 20 year old being around 16-17 year olds did not cause any catastrophe. 20 year old who wants to study is not going to cause any problem for the public schoo…

>> the parents are supposed to make choices for them

Parents don't have any choice in this either. A child under 18 should be in full time education - there is nothing to choose, maybe except for the school they can be in.

>>20 year old being around 16-17 year olds did not cause any catastrophe.

I like that you shifted "adults with 15 year olds" to 20 year olds with 16-17 year olds.

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