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Post by matheusmoreira »

charcircuit wrote: post #505
matheusmoreira wrote: post #297

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I can't be an anarchist because I don't believe anarchy exists. In every group of humans, power structures and hierarchies form spontaneously from normal social interaction. Even if you abolished all forms of government, they would simply reform. A state of anarchy is impossible. I'm merely a proponent of civil disobedience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience > Any man who breaks a law that conscience t…

Civil disobedience is wrong. Society has established ways to change the rules. Breaking rules instead of changing them is disrespectful to the society that has been built. Just because you quote someone, that does not mean what they are advocating for is just.

Society is wrong. It allows trillion dollar corporations to simply buy the laws that they want to impose on you while conveniently leaving loophopes for themselves. Why the hell would you want to "change" this rigged system through the system? That's mind boggling.

There is absolutely no reason at all to even so much as recognize these laws as legitimate. Society can go to hell if it thinks otherwise. They were supposed to be working for us, not the corporations. Since they aren't, we simply revoke their power over us. It really is that easy.

Power isn't something you have, it's loaned out to you, and it can be revoked. People give you power because they believe you'll act in their best interests and solve their problems for them. Once it becomes clear that's not happening, there is absolutely no reason at all to defer to some corrupt "authorities" who are doing nothing but enriching themselves at our expense.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by matheusmoreira »

charcircuit wrote: post #601
matheusmoreira wrote: post #253

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> Unjust laws should be removed. Yeah, in an ideal world. Good luck with that. We live in a deeply unjust world where laws are literally bought and paid for by corporations. This age verification nonsense is just the latest example. They aren't going to sit idle if we attack their lobbying efforts, they're going to come after us. God only knows what a surveillance company like Meta can do to you if they really hate y…

Please review how laws are created. Meta can't write a check to the US Treasury and add a new law. That's not how it works at all.

Of course. That would be too obvious. They write checks to lobbyists instead.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by dataflow »

enoint wrote: post #443
dataflow wrote: post #313

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Exactly which part of AB 1043 makes you think a "smart toaster" could reasonably fall under it?

The GE smart wall oven could meet the definition. I’m genuinely unsure which way a judge would rule. For ovens which do not provide an App Store, I cannot tell what the intent of AB 1043 should be.

> The GE smart wall oven could meet the definition. I’m genuinely unsure which way a judge would rule.

> or ovens which do not provide an App Store, I cannot tell what the intent of AB 1043 should be.

- Does the oven have an "account setup" process?

- Does the phrase "the user of that device" make sense for this oven?

- Does "the purpose of providing a signal regarding the user’s age bracket to applications available in a covered application store" make sense for this oven?

- Does "to provide a developer, as defined, who has requested a signal" seem relevant to this oven?

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Post by headsman771 »

gzread wrote: post #604
headsman771 wrote: post #580

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I will reiterate: there is no way to enforce laws or policies like this without restricting the ability to modify the OS. There is already a pre-existing push to bring attested computing to Linux. The California law is not the only OS level age verification law passed or in the process of passing in the US. One wonders if you're being intentionally obtuse.

How do we enforce the Americans with Disabilities Act?

I take your point, but it's extremely foolish to think that ensured compliance won't be sought when it's technologically feasible.

Its already illegal to show adult material to minors. If they were about enforcing laws properly they'd just do that. For instance a court ruling that adult material isnt allowed on the internet, since you can't effectively ID visitors.

Anyone could just make a fake ID though, so what did they do? Make creating fake IDs a crime. If we can lie about our age to the OS, they'll make it illegal to do that as well.

This is an obvious move to reduce computing freedom.

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Post by gzread »

headsman771 wrote: post #614
gzread wrote: post #604

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How do we enforce the Americans with Disabilities Act?

I take your point, but it's extremely foolish to think that ensured compliance won't be sought when it's technologically feasible. Its already illegal to show adult material to minors. If they were about enforcing laws properly they'd just do that. For instance a court ruling that adult material isnt allowed on the internet, since you can't effectively ID visitors. Anyone could just make a fake ID though, so what did…

Is it technologically feasible to ensure compliance with the ADA?

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Post by tosti »

koutakun wrote: post #501
tosti wrote: post #476

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Shit like this is why I run Gentoo on the desktop, OpenBSD on the server.

If you were a real one you would run BSD on the desktop and Gentoo on the server

Linux runs faster and has recent GPU drivers. OpenBSD is reliable and has useful server stuff in base.

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Post by alsetmusic »

muyuu wrote: post #602
gzread wrote: post #549

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There's a huge fine in North Korea, perhaps even death, for saying "Kim Jong-un is a poopyhead" but I just said it and I don't care because I'm not in North Korea and I don't do any business there.

America enforces their law all around the world. They also have a strong power to lobby and set legal trends all over the world. It's a good thing NK don't have the capability, and perhaps the will also to do so.

Either Kim or his father had a family member murdered by poison in an airport. Putin has undoubtedly had people killed outside the borders of his territory. Lots of countries enforce their will upon people. The USA is just somewhat uniquely empowered to do it out in the open and with a guise of "respectability" due to outsized power.

I'm not disagreeing with you. Just pointing out an additional bit of detail.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by alsetmusic »

lambda wrote: post #497
dataflow wrote: post #135

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I had the same reaction as you this entire time until half an hour ago when I saw the second link in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47382650 Meta being behind all of these efforts makes it incredibly suspicious, especially given the New York law is ridiculously more invasive than the California one. It sure makes it seem like there's likely a larger plan here that this is merely facilitating. So I…

Just because Facebook supports it doesn't mean it's bad. They may not support it for the same reasons, they probably just don't want the cost and liability of doing identify verification themselves and so want to make sure all of the cost and liability is on the OS vendor. Yes, the New York proposed law is far worse, and we absolutely should be pushing back against that. And Facebook doesn't care, because they only c…

> Just because Facebook supports it doesn't mean it's bad.

It definitely makes it more deserving of a closer look. I think that's undeniable.

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Post by stirfish »

bartoszcki wrote: post #503
fc417fc802 wrote: post #454

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High power lasers reflect in unpredictable ways thereby endangering everyone around you. There are other options that don't risk bodily harm.

What are the options?

AR-15
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