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Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by koutakun »

tosti wrote: post #476
quectophoton wrote: post #312

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Years later: "The current measures are a step in the right direction, but we have found them insufficient. We are now requiring the use of this specific proprietary binary blob for any action related to the verification process. It will conveniently run as a daemon so its exposed API will be accessible to any application that needs to query it, and it will automatically update itself so you don't have to worry about…

Shit like this is why I run Gentoo on the desktop, OpenBSD on the server.

If you were a real one you would run BSD on the desktop and Gentoo on the server

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Post by fwipsy »

throw10920 wrote: post #318
fwipsy wrote: post #316

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There are many unjust laws on the books, and that will always be true: - some are backed by powerful interests - some have become load-bearing and are too difficult to replace - some just don't matter and aren't enforced - even if you fix some, new ones will be passed, because people are not perfect If I prove this to you, will you then take your own advice and "take drastic action" to replace the US government?

> There are many unjust laws on the books, and that will always be true: > If I prove this to you, will you then take your own advice and "take drastic action" to replace the US government? No. You didn't actually read my comments before responding, and you're fundamentally misunderstanding my position. That's not "my own advice".

Perhaps your comment didn't say what you believe, then.

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Post by bartoszcki »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #454
saturnite wrote: post #400

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If this goes through, I wouldn't be surprised if facial recognition ends up being the "solution" to the problems this creates. I walked to get a sandwich today and I counted no less than ten cameras along the way. On an unrelated note, I'm thinking of taking up a laser hobby.

High power lasers reflect in unpredictable ways thereby endangering everyone around you. There are other options that don't risk bodily harm.

What are the options?

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Post by BobaFloutist »

k33n wrote: post #355
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #346

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> Yeah, because the parent's time is now dedicated to their employers. When parenting wasn't outsourced, families typically had a parent at home doing it. This seems to imply that the problem is that we started letting women work, but I suspect the actual problem is back to restrictive zoning again. If you let people actually build housing, and then some people have two incomes, they use the extra money to build a bi…

The left wing constantly says “we started letting women work”. Women have worked for thousands of years. The phenomenon of manipulating women into believing working for a corporation is some kind of “higher calling” is relatively new, and it’s been a disaster for the family unit.

I mean women recognize that they've worked for thousands of years and wanted to start getting paid for it.

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Post by charcircuit »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #297
throw10920 wrote: post #286

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> If you're right other people will realize that. If not, they won't. That literally does not answer the GP's question. You're just an anarchist. We can save a lot of steps if you just state that outright.

I can't be an anarchist because I don't believe anarchy exists. In every group of humans, power structures and hierarchies form spontaneously from normal social interaction. Even if you abolished all forms of government, they would simply reform. A state of anarchy is impossible. I'm merely a proponent of civil disobedience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience > Any man who breaks a law that conscience t…

Civil disobedience is wrong. Society has established ways to change the rules. Breaking rules instead of changing them is disrespectful to the society that has been built. Just because you quote someone, that does not mean what they are advocating for is just.

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Post by charcircuit »

LordDragonfang wrote: post #369
charcircuit wrote: post #173

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This leads to anarchy or selective enforcement. Unjust laws should be removed.

In the US, the process of removing unjust laws generally involves violating them, so that courts have the opportunity to legislate from the bench.

Laws can be removed in the same exact way they are passed. It's just in the commit instead of adding lines, you remove them.

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Post by lesostep »

fainpul wrote: post #401
lesostep wrote: post #383

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I want to agree with you, but if it's my system and my browser reporting my bracket, wouldn't it be trivially easy to inject an http-header with the age I want to report? And by "trivially easy" I mean "somebody already posted how-to for windows to stackoverflow"

The problem is not that it's hard to cheat (it's easy), the problem is it makes you officially a liar and liable for "illegal app use". It might not be a problem for you , but some underage kid, who lied about their age, gets addicted to a game with in-game purchases and gets into financial trouble now has no recourse against the company who made the addicting game.

Does this imagined underage kid that right now lies about his age in UI-form have a case because it wasn't on OS level?

I genuinely don't know, and it's hard to see what's the differences between those two cases are.

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Post by Minor49er »

izacus wrote: post #372
ab_testing wrote: post #255

Why are Linux operating system providers taking it upon themselves to comply with the California law especially if they are not selling anything. Since it is just a downloadable piece of software then it is up to California state to set up a firewall to protect themselves from such harmful software. Let's say I am a generic linux developer who develops variants of Debian Linux while sitting in my basement in any part…

Because despite the screeching, having good parental controls standardized across distros and OSS software is an idea that benefits Linux as a whole.

Parents already have full control over this because they make the choice to give their kids a device in the first place

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Post by charcircuit »

kloop wrote: post #461
charcircuit wrote: post #113

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Associating open source with projects that brazenly violate the law is not what open source should look like.

You have made a claim with zero rationale to back it up. Why shouldn't it look like that? Especially with a law this dumb

It doesn't make strategic sense to make open source projects the enemy of the people. Incentivizing legislation that hurts open source software is not helpful for open source software to thrive.

>Especially with a law this dumb

Allow software to know if the user is an adult or a child seems like a useful signal to me and is not dumb.

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Post by sanderjd »

prohobo wrote: post #385
nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

I'm completely baffled why anyone still engages with the "official" framing around this. Obviously, it's not for protecting children. Obviously, it's a technocratic trojan horse for increasing surveillance capabilities on digital systems. This is so cynically anti-democratic that they obfuscate the real purpose, don't even bother to make it plausible, and everyone is left talking about how "awful it is" that it's alr…

It's because none of the stuff you say is obvious is actually obvious. You might be totally right about all of it (my own view is that regardless of what the intention is, this stuff will inevitably be misused), but it needs to be demonstrated that you are. The word obvious has a different meaning.

This is a pretty common phenomenon in politics, where people have a political view that is obvious to them, but other people actually disagree with that view. This is one way that political discussions go off the rails, because if you think your own views are obvious, you quickly start thinking that people have some ulterior motive for debating that "obvious" view. But the reality is often just that they just have a genuine difference of perspective, that the thing that is obvious to you is just not obvious to them.

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