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Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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The content is mixed with decent audio systems in mind. When you listen to that content on a good system you don't have these issues. Nolan films are a perfect example.

Imagine if we said “hey your audio is only usable on iPhone if you use this specific adapter and high end earphones”. Somehow the music industry has managed to figure out a way to get stuff to sound good on high end hardware, and passable on even the shittiest speakers and earbuds imaginable, but asking Hollywood blockbusters to make the dialog literally audible on the most popular device format is too much?

In a lot of bass music the most important parts are simply inaudible on an iPhone speaker.

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Makes sense, but how does this explain the fact that this problem seems recent, or at least to have worsened recently ?

Netflix records many shows simultaneously in the same building. This is why their shows are all so dark - to prevent light bleeding across sets. I wonder if this is also true for keeping the volume down.

Why the downvotes, HN?

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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It would help if TV manufacturers would clearly document what these features do, and use consistent names that reflect that. It seems they want to make these settings usable without specialist knowledge, but the end result of their opaque naming and vague descriptions is that anybody who actually cares about what they see and thinks they might benefit from some of the features has to either systematically try every p…

I just went through this learning curve with my new Sony Bravia 8 II.

I also auditioned the LG G5.

I calibrated both of them. It is not that much effort after some research on avsforum.com. I think this task would be fairly trivial for the hackernews crowd.

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We used to call that a soap opera. Maybe today we should call it a couch opera.

Rod Serling derogatorily coined the term "Soap Opera" because those also pioneered the ad break, typically for products aimed at housewives, e.g. soap.

The term soap opera dates to 1938. There’s no way that Rod Serling coined the term.

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One problem is that the people mixing the audio already know what is being said: Top-down processing (or more specifically, top-down auditory perception) This refers to perception being driven by prior knowledge, expectations, and context rather than purely by sensory input. When you already know the dialog, your brain projects that knowledge onto the sound and experiences it as “clear.”

Makes sense, but how does this explain the fact that this problem seems recent, or at least to have worsened recently ?

Easy, you and all your friends are getting old.

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The fact that I have to turn on closed captioning to understand anything tells me these producers have no idea what we want and shouldn’t be telling us what settings to use.

I don't understand how your inability to understand dialog negates a producer giving appropriate instructions on visual settings? The post was good advice, and your train of thought feels like some sort of fallacy. To be a bit more helpful, what are you using to listen to the show? There are dozens of ways to hear the audio. Are you listening through the TV speakers, a properly set up center channel speaker, a Kindle…

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There is a difference between dialogue you aren't supposed to understand (Nolan) and dialogue you should understand but can't (basically everyone else)

Have you seen Tenet? Almost the entire movie is impossible to understand, and it's a film that depends heavily on exposition.

By making the exposition unintelligible, I guess he's illustrating how complicated time travel makes a story.

Except Primer did that without this crutch.

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It's an issue even in theaters and is the main reason I prefer to watch new releases at home on DVD (Dune I saw in the theater, Dune 2 I watched at home.)

The dialogue in Dune and Dune part 2 was very clear in theater.

Probably also doesn't hurt that theater audio levels are usually far higher than what most people would use at home.

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Sounds like you are just using internal speakers. They are notorious for bad vocal range audio. I have a decent surround sound and had no issues at all.

As mentioned elsewhere: no problem with youtube videos (even with hard accents like scottish) but a world of pain for tv shows and movies. On the same TV. Oh, and the youtube videos don't have the infamous mixing issues of "voices too low, explosions too high". It's the source material, not the device. Stop accusing TV speakers, they are ok-tier.

Many tvs have special sound modes for old people that boost the vocal range significantly. Makes the overall audio sound like crap, so pretty close match for youtube audio.

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I wonder if there's a video equivalent to the Yamaha NS-10[1], a studio monitor (audio) that (simplifying) sounds bad enough that audio engineers reckon if they can make the mix sound good on them, they'll sound alright on just about anything. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_NS-10

Probably not, or they don't go by it, since there seems to be a massive problem with people being unable to hear dialogue well enough to not need subtitles. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37218711 It was a real eye(ear?)-opener to watch Seinfeld on Netflix and suddenly have no problem understanding what they're saying. They solved the problem before, they just ... unsolved it.

It's a similar thing to watching movies from before the mid-2000 (I place the inflection point around Collateral in 2004) where after that you get overly dark scenes where you can't make out anything, while anything earlier you get these night scenes where you can clearly make out the setting, and the focused actors/props are clearly visible.

Watch An American Werewolf in London, Strange Days, True Lies, Blade Runner, or any other movie from the film era all up to the start of digital, and you can see that the sets are incredibly well lit. On film they couldn't afford to reshoot and didn't have immediate view of what everything in the frame resulted on, so they had to be conservative. They didn't have per-pixel brightness manipulation (feathering and burning were film techniques that could technically have been applied per frame, but good luck with doing that at any reasonable expense or amount of time). They didn't have hyper-fast color film-stock they could use (ISO 800 was about the fastest you could get), and it was a clear downgrade from anything slower.

The advent of digital film-making when sensors reached ISO 1600/3200 with reasonable image quality is when the allure of time/cost savings of not lighting heavily for every scene showed its ugly head, and by the 2020's you get the "Netflix look" from studios optimizing for "the cheapest possible thing we can get out the door" (the most expensive thing in any production is filming in location, a producer will want to squeeze every minute of that away, with the smallest crew they could get away with).

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