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Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by AlecSchueler »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #352
AlecSchueler wrote: post #287

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This completely ignores the history of published writing in Ulster Scots going back centuries.

This is one of those topics where the Hacker News take is unlikely to be correct. There's a lot of strong feeling here, and an outsider would need at least three books to understand the historical context (one of which, afaict, has not been written yet: it's oral tradition only). People closer to the issue are better-placed to gather the necessary information, but again: strong feeling. Most people find it hard to ge…

What do you think is the Hacker News take?

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Post by imcritic »

simion314 wrote: post #370
imcritic wrote: post #215

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Oh, typical Ruzzian victim comlex, their brain can't understand why all their neighbors and "brother slavs" hate them, brainwashing for generations made them think in unatural logic where you need to negate anything a Ruzzian says and then you increase the probability 100 times to be the truth. Ruzzian = a Russian Zed patriot , we use this notation to acknowledge that there still exists a small percentage of educated…

You just proved my point. You are a rusophobe.

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Post by imcritic »

isodev wrote: post #312
imcritic wrote: post #215

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off topic but it’s absolutely stunning how Russia once fought the nazis and now Russia are the nazis.

Nothing has changed: Russia still fights the Nazis. There are countless videos of Ukrainian Nazis and even Ukrainian kids brainwashed into jumping and chanting nazi (anti-russian) chants.

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Post by victorbjorklund »

coldtea wrote: post #547
victorbjorklund wrote: post #453

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Go back and tell the founding fathers of america that. Not everyone in america was english speakers.

No, but everyone in the US was made, practically and in some ways officially, to become an english speaker.

yea, when did they make the law forbidding german speakers speaking German? Which year?

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Post by berkes »

deaux wrote: post #596
berkes wrote: post #560

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This is because there's no unified capital market. A texas VC can invest in a startup in Chicago and a startup in Florida can raise money from NY and so on. > If anything this would be due to Dutch regulations rather than Estonian ones Yes, because there's no unified capital market. You describe an effect not the cause. With 27 member states, if such regulations are bi-directional, you'd need 351 of such "regulations…

I don't think you understood my point. This "disadvantage" applies the exact same way to starrups every other non-US country, it's not something specific to the EU so it makes no sense to posit it as an EU thing. > Is it easier for a US or Singapore VC to invest in an Japanese startup vs an Estonian startup? This was my main question, and it looks like the answer is indeed no.

I indeed missed that point.

Still, the existence of the EU is (to bring peace by) lowering, mostly economic, barriers that traditionally exist between countries.

And the comparison in this threat was "between EU and US" (in europe Thing is hard... in Europe you cannot... etc). When people use "The EU" or "Europe" in this sense, they consider it as a "Single thing". Europe, or the EU, has a great disadvantage for startups over the US. You say that is because Europe is not a "thing" like a country is. I say, that is because Europe seen as a "thing" lacks some critical infrastructure that "the thing called US" has - or even "the thing Brazil" or "China" do have, internally.

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Post by igravious »

tripzilch wrote: post #504
igravious wrote: post #487

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Irish is an official language of Ireland (there is signage and instructions in Irish up and down the Republic) , Frisian is not an official language of the Netherlands to the best of my knowledge Irish is certainly not a robust vigorous language but your 40,000-80,000 numbers downplay it I'd suggest. Here are some statistics from Deepseek Category Region Number of Speakers Source & Year Some Ability Republic of Irela…

> Frisian is not an official language of the Netherlands to the best of my knowledge Sorry, but it is.

Sorry, but it isn't.

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Post by igravious »

Freak_NL wrote: post #507
tripzilch wrote: post #504

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> Frisian is not an official language of the Netherlands to the best of my knowledge Sorry, but it is.

Correct. Frisia (or Fryslân) is a bilingual province. Frisian is an official language of the Netherlands. Someone called in front of a judge in the north of the Netherlands has the right to be heard in Frisian, for example. Fun fact: villages, towns, and cities in Frisia often have names which differ in Frisian and Dutch. In those cases the signs at the place limits will have both names listed; the official one on to…

Incorrect.

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

runarberg wrote: post #564
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #486

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Writing RTL or LTR and alphabet alone don't make a language different. Hindi and Urdu are 90% the exact same language, and are mutually inteligible (Urdu speaker and Hindi speaker can have complete full conversation with each other) but each is written differently (one LTR the other RTL) and with different alphabets

See also Croatian, Serbian, and Bosnian. I also find Chinese to be interesting, e.g. Mandarin and (formal) Cantonese have a near identical written language, while the spoken language is completely different, views on whether or not those languages are different languages or dialects vary wildly. In my books, the distinction between languages and dialects are so arbitrary that the best method is simply to ask the peop…

Mandarin-Cantonese is very interesting and a unique (to my knowledge) example where the same written language can be completely different to two different people.

I don't buy the argument of just asking the speakers. There are cultural, political, etc. reasons people may think things which don't conform with reality. Many Hindi-Urdu speakers get insulted by the reality that the languages are pretty much the same because they don't want to identify with people from another country their country is constantly at war with.

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

dbspin wrote: post #552
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #483

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Unfair comparison, imo. Irish (Gaelic) is a language which was intentionally suppressed for centuries.

What relevance does that have? I'd say it's more important to acknowledge the fact that there are zero Irish speakers who don't also speak English. Including it as an official EU language is an ideological project rather than a pragmatic one.

Because there is a cause to revert the intentional damage done to Irish by the former rulers of the land. With Frisian there was no resistance to it. I think official language status helps provide resources to conservationists of various languages. And trying to conserve a language most of the speakers don't care about us a lot different than trying to conserve a language people do care about but we're forced to suppress for many years so have less ability to conserve it

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Post by handelaar »

globular-toast wrote: post #452
handelaar wrote: post #298

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Still an official language, thankfully. Officially, because of Cyprus.

Why Cyprus? Their official languages are Greek and Turkish.

Because they also recognise English and Greek's already covered by Greece.
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