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Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by troupo » Tue, Oct 28, 2025, 5:38 PM UTC

whimsicalism wrote: post #203

troupo wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Levels is engagement farming. Instead of uncritically reposting him you could've gone ahead and read what the cluster is for: https://x.com/dmitriid/status/1982927767286231403 Cluster: for public benefit, cutting edge research in biotech, medical, robotics. Levels: I want to create AI photos of people for my AI Slop startup

> Cluster: for public benefit, cutting edge research in biotech, medical, robotics. That's not what the quoted paragraph says and you can read the whole release if you want: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_25_...

I literally quoted the paragraph from this link in the tweet I provided: Edit: lol, I didn't, I quoted it from a policy document, not from press release. However, my point stands:

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Apply AI Strategy

The Apply AI Strategy aims to harness AI's transformative potential by driving adoption of AI across strategic and public sectors including healthcare, pharmaceuticals, energy, mobility, manufacturing, construction, agri-food, defence, communications and culture. It will also support small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs) with their specific needs and help Industries integrate AI into their operations.

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I also quoted a paragraph from a document I will find when I'm not on mobile.

Levels literally wants to train AI Slop: https://x.com/levelsio/status/1981499900266193028

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Train a foundational model for AI photos of people

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Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by mezod » Tue, Oct 28, 2025, 5:38 PM UTC

whimsicalism wrote: post #75

mezod wrote: post #66

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yeah best to lean in more on national and linguistic fragmentation, diversity has always been one of the EUs strengths

if that's the argument, let's drop all the languages and focus on english :)

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by alecco » Tue, Oct 28, 2025, 5:39 PM UTC

dzikimarian wrote: post #130

whimsicalism wrote: post #57

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While grant process in EU isn't fun, I think Levels has bit of an ego issues. He mentioned that if he had issues like that on eg X, he would see Elon himself in the replies. While he is great at converting his influencer status to income in his micro-SaaS projects, I don't think running ad-fueled browser games on state-sponsored super computer should be really aim of these grant programs.

He is 100% right on this one. From personal experience trying to figure out EU. Lawyer bureaucrats manage funds behind red tape clearly meant to be for their pals.

All these while the EU is running out of funds and in a process of de-industrialization. There should be an independent corruption investigation on Brussels.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by troupo » Tue, Oct 28, 2025, 5:39 PM UTC

drexlspivey wrote: post #206

troupo wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not even close to how he described it.

There’s a screen recording at the bottom

I have the same answer as here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45735738

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by imcritic » Tue, Oct 28, 2025, 5:39 PM UTC

dostick wrote: post #200

What good does it do by having only include formal languages? For example there’s no Russian, while there’s now at least 8 million ethnic Russians living in Europe.

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Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by andy12_ » Tue, Oct 28, 2025, 5:40 PM UTC

tensor wrote: post #109

loandbehold wrote: post #10

Aren't all frontier models already able to use all these languages? Support for specific languages doesn't need to be built in, LLMs support all languages because they are trained on multilingual data.

No, that's not how training works. It's not just about having an example in a given language, but also how many examples and the ratio of examples compared to other languages. English hugely eclipses any other language on most US models and that's why performance on other languages is subpar compared to performance on english.

I have never noticed any major difference in performance of ChatGPT between English and Spanish. The truth is that as long as the amount of training data of a given language is above some threshold, knowledge transfers between languages.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by sofixa » Tue, Oct 28, 2025, 5:40 PM UTC

whimsicalism wrote: post #80

webdevver wrote: post #77

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Wouldn't go that far. EU policymakers have good intentions, I believe - but ultimately are products of their environment and cultural inclination. The EU is such a bizarre place because they treat capital and entrepreneurs with such massive distrust, but never really bothered getting rid of the quasi-static entrenched hierarchies from feudalism? Like I'll go to the UK or France and there will just be massive swathes…

> France and there will just be massive swathes of land owned by the nobility or 'former' nobility

Yeah, no, this isn't even remotely true.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by threesmegiste » Tue, Oct 28, 2025, 5:41 PM UTC

adzm wrote: post #2

For those curious, the 24 official languages are Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Estonian, Finnish, French, German, Greek, Hungarian, Irish, Italian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Maltese, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Slovak, Slovenian, Spanish, and Swedish. Maltese, interestingly, is the only Afro-Asiatic derived language. Hungarian, Finnish, and Estonian are the three Uralic languages. All the others ar…

Turkish?

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Oct 28, 2025, 5:41 PM UTC

loandbehold wrote: post #10

Aren't all frontier models already able to use all these languages? Support for specific languages doesn't need to be built in, LLMs support all languages because they are trained on multilingual data.

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Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Post by Levitz » Tue, Oct 28, 2025, 5:44 PM UTC

embedding-shape wrote: post #151

tirant wrote: post #137

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Basque is not controversial, but spoken just by very little people.

Not sure that should be the qualifier, there might be more people able to speak Basque in the world than Danish, doesn't stop Danish from being well supported.

Quick google points to about 1M Basque speakers in the EU against 5-6M Danish speakers, there's also the fact that Basque is not the only official language in the country it belongs to, and that it's in fact not spoken in the vast majority of the country.

From https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-histor... we can find an excerpt relating to the policy and its purpose:

>One of the EU’s founding principles is multilingualism.

>This policy aims to:

>communicating with its citizens in their own languages

>protecting Europe’s rich linguistic diversity

>promoting language learning in Europe

With this in mind, the first intention fails by an enormous margin, given that 95%+ of Spain doesn't speak an iota of Basque, the second is met handily, given the long history of the language, and I'm not sure what to think about the third, any language whatsoever would serve that purpose.