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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by LexiMax »

scoofy wrote: post #258
dkarl wrote: post #240

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> he’s generally intelligent. He’s not going to run the country into the ground I think you're having a hard time grasping the concept of people who care more about rolling back social and cultural change than they care about the United States being a strong and prosperous country. The tension between those priorities in the Republican party has been resolved. The current leaders in the party, including Vance, rose b…

I grew up in a wildly religious family, and was in wildly conservative areas for part of that time. There are a lot of people who want to roll back social and cultural change for good-faith religious reasons. I think are wrong for thinking these things. However, they still also want to have a strong and prosperous nation. My point is not to say that I want the future they want. It's to say I also don't want the futur…

> There are a lot of people who want to roll back social and cultural change for good-faith religious reasons.

What makes you believe that they are engaging with their religious views in good faith?

I know a great many friends and acquaintances that take their religious studies seriously. I also have met a great many more whose approach is far more cavalier, simply using their beliefs to justify their existing biases and gut feelings, as well as justifying and excusing their own anti-social behavior.

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Post by swat535 »

chneu wrote: post #552
slg wrote: post #547

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Evangelical Christians are a huge voting block in the US and might be even more supportive of the current Israeli regime than the average Israeli. I wouldn’t necessarily conclude that Israel is controlling the American government as directly as you’re suggesting.

A staggering amount of American Christians support Israel because of their end times prophecy. I wish I was kidding but I'm not.

> A staggering amount of American Christians support Israel because of their end times prophecy.

I'm a Catholic but I can expand on this.

The evangelicals believe that the Third Temple must be built for the Second Coming of Christ to happen, and are determined to politically and financially support the nation of Israel to make it happen as soon as possible.

They also actively work torwards the destruction of al-Aqsa Mosque and the rebuilding of the 3rd Temple.

This belief comes form 2 Thessalonians:

"Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God."

The Church Fathers were unanimous on agreeing that the "Son of Destruction" was the anti-Christ, and while there was some disagreance over what St. Paul meant (in Galatians 6:15-16) by temple the majority consensus was that it was referring to the eartly Temple. But, as it stands, the Second Temple was shortly destroyed. Which means that in order for the Second Coming to happen again, the Temple will once again need to stand.

Both Catholics and Protestants are Christians but this is a major area of disagreement between us.

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Post by anigbrowl »

ethbr1 wrote: post #443
JCattheATM wrote: post #414

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Exactly this. It's nothing but an attempt to punish them for not kissing the ring. If only we had another arm of government able to hold this clearly corrupt behavior to account....

There would have been a stronger one if Ruth Bader Ginsburg had retired at a time that supported a 5/4 ideological balance on the Supreme Court. Instead of the hubris to hold onto the job until death and thereby subsequently undo many of the things she spent her life fighting for. Finding a successor and handing over your power is one of the most important responsibilities of the powerful, when they have a say.

Instead of the hubris to hold onto the job until death and thereby subsequently undo many of the things she spent her life fighting for.

A bit off-topic, but this seems to be an ongoing problem for the Democratic party. They just lost an important vote on a budget bill in the House by a single vote, because Gerry Connolly wasn't willing to give up his House seat and instead clung on until he (very predictably) died of cancer a few days ago.

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Post by Aeolun »

kristopolous wrote: post #516
kochb wrote: post #20

Don’t miss this bit. Currently enrolled students are going to need to find a new university. > In a news release, the Department of Homeland Security sent a stark message to Harvard’s international students: “This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students, and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status.”

Ah yes, this is how we will be competitive - defunding universities, deporting the best and brightest, dismantling education, and cutting off trade. I mean seriously, if a malicious saboteur was running things, what would the differences be?

I think the problem is that half of the country (has been made to) wants to sabotage itself. Therefore, they elect and keep in power someone that gives them exactly what they want.

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Post by neuroelectron »

judah wrote: post #598
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On the contrary, the issue is that Harvard allowed pro-Hamas students to attack and persecute Jewish students. Harvard failed to protect the Jewish students, even rewarded those students who intimidated Jewish students on campus. Pro-Hamas students barged into classrooms with bullhorns. Camped out on campus and prevented Jewish students from reaching their classrooms, forming lines and locking hands outside of classr…

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Post by klipt »

ceejayoz wrote: post #55
kochb wrote: post #20

Don’t miss this bit. Currently enrolled students are going to need to find a new university. > In a news release, the Department of Homeland Security sent a stark message to Harvard’s international students: “This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students, and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status.”

A judge has already blocked the move. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/judge-blocks-tr... > A federal judge in California has blocked the Trump administration from terminating the legal statuses of international students at universities across the U.S.

The house republicans have passed a bill that in effect lets Trump override the courts: https://robertreich.substack.com/p/the-hidden-provision-in-t...

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Post by paulryanrogers »

mousethatroared wrote: post #582
ceejayoz wrote: post #55

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A judge has already blocked the move. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/judge-blocks-tr... > A federal judge in California has blocked the Trump administration from terminating the legal statuses of international students at universities across the U.S.

Nationwide injunctions are going the way of the dodo

With population outgrowing our capped judiciary, making access to courts increasingly pay to play, this means even less accountability for the executive branch.

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Post by klipt »

ceejayoz wrote: post #221
thaumasiotes wrote: post #215

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Because they accidentally sent at least one person there already? Who remains there, despite SCOTUS ordering his return? https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf > Instead of hastening to correct its egregious error, the Government dismissed it as an “oversight.” > The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his c…

Much more than one: https://www.cato.org/blog/50-venezuelans-imprisoned-el-salva...

50+ Venezuelans Imprisoned in El Salvador Came to US Legally, Never Violated Immigration Law

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Post by klipt »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #215
mperham wrote: post #192

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It doesn’t matter, the damage is done. If you’re an international student, are you going to risk an El Salvador gulag?

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https://www.cato.org/blog/50-venezuelans-imprisoned-el-salva...

50+ Venezuelans Imprisoned in El Salvador Came to US Legally, Never Violated Immigration Law

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Post by anigbrowl »

ethbr1 wrote: post #411
mxuribe wrote: post #257

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I think its a few reasons/things here...(some already noted in some way by others) * Trump does not care or maybe lacks the understanding of the concept of a network and influence with entities outside the U.s. * Trump probably figures that he can use this as sort of leverage against negotiations with non-U.s. entities...but using a blunt instrument instead of nuance, or backchannels. * Trump is foolishly following t…

Most of Trump's behavior makes sense when you realize his dealmaking strategy is bullying: 1. Exert maximun possible pressure 2. Strike the best deal possible Reasons only matter in the sense of selecting initial targets. Once into dealmaking, it's anything and everything thrown at an opponent. You can see this in terms of what stops him: equal counterpressure (China) or consequences (US stocks and treasuries being d…

The problem is that deals made under duress have little lasting value. The bullied party feels little moral compunction to uphold the terms a moment longer than necessary, plus they will naturally be skeptical of the bullying party's commitment to do so in the future.
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