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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by Version467 »

gtirloni wrote: post #132

More company efforts being spent on iterative solutions. This won't be enough to keep the hype up for the $7T. I'm expecting they will exhaust the alphabet with GPT-4 before we see GPT-5 and even then what major CS breakthrough will they need to deliver on the promise? https://openai.com/index/planning-for-agi-and-beyond/

I think o1 will keep them going for a while. You don’t need to be economical to keep investors interested as long as the tech progresses, and if their new test-time compute scaling holds true for another magnitude or two they can just crank up the processing time to impress people whenever they need to raise more money.

In addition, with the rollout of their realtime api we’re going to see a whole bunch of customer service focused products crop up, further demonstrating how this can generate value right now.

So I really don’t think they’re running out of steam at all.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by mark_l_watson »

Kostchei wrote: post #450
faitswulff wrote: post #448

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know a similar non-coding founder who was using LLMs to create a full fledged TypeScript based SaaS product and regularly comes to me with high level architecture questions, but also doesn't know or care to figure out what HTTP methods are, variable names are a mishmash of whatever case the LLM decided to generate that day, and there are no tests whatsoever. It's held together by sheer force of manual QA. ...but. I…

This my technique- test the output, make sure it works (in the sense of outputs) the way I want. Test the input edge cases, move on. Occasionally when I can't get it to do what I want the llm suggests things like logging of output between functions etc- in which case they get added, but at the end I ask it to take out all the logging and make the code more concise. And sometimes it breaks in ways I can't fix - so rol…

re: “Built things I have wanted for 30 years.”

+1 same for me.

A few times a month I now build something I have wanted in the past but now I can afford the time to build. I have always prided myself at being pretty good at working with other human developers, and now I feel pretty good at using LLM based AI as a design and coding assistant, when it makes sense to not just do all the work myself.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by d4rkp4ttern »

joshstrange wrote: post #216

The issue I continue to have with many AI coding tools is they want me to use their own editor ("native", aka VSCode fork, or in the browser like this). I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in".

Zed lets you set it up trivially with jetbrains key maps. It doesn’t have a debugger and rough around the edges but I like that most of my Jetbrains shortcuts continue to work with zed.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by Bloedcoins »

EZ-E wrote: post #597
Bloedcoins wrote: post #589

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You need to ask 'when'. ChatGPT shows a clear path forward. Feedback loop (consistent improvement), tooling which leverages all of llms powers, writing unit tests automatically and running code (chatgpt can run python already, when will it able to run java and other langauges?) And its arleady useful today for small things. Copilot is easier and more integrated than googling parameters or looking up documentation. UI…

I respect your opinion and you could be right, but I don't buy it so far. While integrations have improved, for the LLM models everything relies on, we don't see major advances anymore. Compare the jump from GPT3.5 to 4, vs the next iterations, it still suffers from the same limitations LLMs have (context length, overconfidence, hallucinations). Maybe I'm too impatient.

From a research point of view, context length got a lot better in the last year and continues to become better.

Chatgpt just released new voice mode.

It took over a year to get GitHub Copilot rolled out in my very big company.

People work left and right to make it better. Every benchmark shows either smaller models or faster models or better models. This will not stop anytime soon.

Flux for Image generatin came out of nowhere and is a lot better with faces and hands and image description than anything before it.

Yes the original jump was crazy but we are running into capacity constrains left and right.

Alone how long it takes for a company to buy enough GPUs, building a platform, workflows, transition capacity into it, etc. takes time.

When i say AI will change our industry, i don't know how long it takes. I guess 5-10 years but it makes it a lot more obvious HOW and the HOW was completly missing before GPT3. I couldn't came up with an good idea how to do something like this at all.

And for hallucinations, there are also plenty of people working left and right. The reasoning of o1 is the first big throw of a big company to start running a model longer. But for running o1 for 10 seconds and longer, you need a lot more resources.

Nvidias chip production is currently a hard limit in our industry. Even getting enough energy into Datacenters is a hard limit right now.

Its clearly not money if you look how much money is thrown at it already.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by autoconfig »

rsp1984 wrote: post #594
machiaweliczny wrote: post #585

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Just use aider - it’s CLI and open source. You can open terminal in IDE and you just use /add file for context then /drop to clean context. Better than Copilot and just less worse UX than Cursor (which has benefit of knowing which page you have open). There’s also Claude engineer but not tested it yet. Forgot to mention killer feature - droping links to docs automatically fetches them in aider which helps with ground…

Look, I'm just not interested in something that gives me code on the CLI. This is no better or worse than using ChatGPT / Canvas or any other external tool. My project has well over half a million lines of code. I'm using an IDE (in my case Qt Creator) for a reason. I'd love to get help from an LLM but CLI or external browser windows just aren't the way. The overhead of copy/paste and lack of context is a deal breake…

Aider operates on your file tree / repo and edits and creates files in place. So it at least lessens the copy / paste drastically. This is a very different experience than using chatgpt or Claude on web. Still not ideal UX compared to having it in the IDE though to be clear.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by [deleted] »

joshstrange wrote: post #216

The issue I continue to have with many AI coding tools is they want me to use their own editor ("native", aka VSCode fork, or in the browser like this). I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in".

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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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epolanski wrote: post #407

Small ot, but it's quite interesting that the highest decisive impact generative AI is having right now is on tech workers and software developers in particular. I'm more and more convinced that we're on the edge of a major shake up in the industry with all these tools. Not getting replaced, but at this rate of improvements I can't unsee major changes. A recent junior I have in my team built his first app entirely wi…

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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by ikety »

nicce wrote: post #360
ikety wrote: post #252

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Wow that's super impressive. I need to stop making excuses and being afraid of doing big side projects with this many tools at my disposal.

I have big issues with the AI code. It is often so bad that I can’t stand it and would never release something like that when I know is so poor quality.

Yea, but the fact you can recognize bad code makes it even better. You could probably eliminate so many tedious tasks that are involved with building POCs. Just generate and iterate with your expertise.

You already have the full picture in your head, why not get there faster?

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by Timber-6539 »

komali2 wrote: post #536
Kostchei wrote: post #450

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This my technique- test the output, make sure it works (in the sense of outputs) the way I want. Test the input edge cases, move on. Occasionally when I can't get it to do what I want the llm suggests things like logging of output between functions etc- in which case they get added, but at the end I ask it to take out all the logging and make the code more concise. And sometimes it breaks in ways I can't fix - so rol…

The downside I've noticed is if I do this, I can't explain how I "solved the problem" during job interviews. I tried once, "I didn't, chatgpt solved it for me," and they laughed and I didn't get the job, so I stopped admitting that and said I just use chatgpt to quickly write up boilerplate for me.

How was admitting this supposed to help you in an interview? Anyway you won't learn anything if you don't review and go deeper into the code you've written with ChatGPT.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by ikety »

influx wrote: post #288
ikety wrote: post #252

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Wow that's super impressive. I need to stop making excuses and being afraid of doing big side projects with this many tools at my disposal.

I wrote a Blackjack simulator using 90% LLM as a fun side project. https://github.com/mmichie/cardsharp

Awesome, will take a look!
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