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Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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Post by browningstreet »

why_at wrote: post #224
akouri wrote: post #195

I am the founder of Starlight Charging[1]. We are working on crazy-low-cost L2 chargers for multifamily apartments. Plug-and-charge is a sine-qua-non for us. One still major unsolved problem is the lack of agreement on a standard for payment/powerline communication from the EVSE to the vehicle. OCPP 2.0.1 and ISO 15118 is supposed to bring "Plug and Charge" capabilities -- this, in theory, would allow drivers to simp…

Can you explain why you feel plug-and-charge is so important? I have used chargers with and without it and while it is slightly more convenient to just plug in and go, it doesn't feel like such a huge improvement that I absolutely need it. I agree that having a different app for every brand of charging station would be annoying, but what about just accepting a credit card the way we do with gas stations now?

The plug and charge solution will seem an iteration or two more advanced than others. And it serves as a customer delight.

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Post by NewJazz »

giobox wrote: post #465
jader201 wrote: post #25

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Not really. Many Tesla Superchargers are being equipped with Magic Dock, which is perpetuating CCS. More manufacturers may be moving to NACS, but it’s not like chargers are moving away from CCS. If anything, the CCS infrastructure is growing.

> Many Tesla Superchargers are being equipped with Magic Dock, which is perpetuating CCS This isn't actually the case; while the tech press made a big deal about the project when announced, hardly any Super Charger sites have the Magic Dock. As of this month, it's only at ~50 Super Charger locations. I also think with widespread NACS adoption the rollout will slow down even more - what is the point of the project if…

Yeah this is being abandoned. But GM at least claims they'll offer a NACS->CCS1 adapter in 2024. So it just on the consumer to bring their own adapter. There is no need to have one at the stall for subsidy eligibility.

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Post by NewJazz »

iso8859-1 wrote: post #235
rubyn00bie wrote: post #112

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Huh? It feels like you’re just being overly pedantic for no reason. From Wikipedia and numerous other sources: > Though a part of the continent of North America, Greenland has been politically and culturally associated with Europe.

It's not even clear if it will prevail in México: https://mobilityportal.lat/carga-nacs-estandarizacion-nortea...

You really think GB/T will prevail? Mexico is a very common destination for used vehicles from the US and Canada. The GB/T standard maxes out at 250kW speeds right now. I have also read that the locking mechanism is fragile.

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Post by TMWNN »

ghaff wrote: post #233
SEJeff wrote: post #183

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The most hilarious thing is that the Imperial units came from the UK. They should blame the UK for the Imperial units, not us.

The reality is that the Anglosphere as a whole uses a hybrid system to greater or lesser degrees. Heck, stones are still used at least somewhat in the UK. And I'd argue that Fahrenheit is actually a pretty decent system for day-to-day use. The degrees are smaller and it's not really that hard to remember 32 degrees is freezing. And sub-zero is fricking cold in most places. If you want to be all-on scientific, use Kel…

>And I'd argue that Fahrenheit is actually a pretty decent system for day-to-day use. The degrees are smaller and it's not really that hard to remember 32 degrees is freezing.

Also, in Fahrenheit 0-100 degrees roughly demarcates the survival zone for humans without special precautions.

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Post by mceachen »

taneq wrote: post #545
xpe wrote: post #521

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Some feedback: I only barely realized "plug-and-charge" means something specific. [1] Generally speaking, I wouldn't expect people to know what you mean by the phrase. The problem is that people think they know because it sounds so obvious. The phrase comes across more like: "obviously, yeah, I plug it in and it charges". That understanding leaves vague the number of steps required between "plug" and "charge". [1] e.…

Aah wait so it's Plug-And-Supply-Currency rather than Plug-And-Supply-Current?

It’s both. Plug and charge (sometimes referred to as P&C) is the full stack of systems and interactions involved in driving up to a charging station, plugging in your vehicle, transferring electrons, and getting charged for it, all without having to open an app or present a payment instrument at time of charge.

Electrify America has supported P&C for DC fast charging on Ford vehicles, for example, but it required setup beforehand, and came with downsides (like not supporting EA’s member-discount charge rate).

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Post by agloe_dreams »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #227
agloe_dreams wrote: post #101

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Yes and no. Tesla already has the #1 selling car (Model Y) and makes up more than half of EVs sold in the US. Eventually other networks were going to catch up. Now the other half will pay them too but they own the network. Long term it was the right choice.

But like you said, other networks will eventually catch up so long term tesla won't control the network either.

I think this actually helps Tesla in that department in another way - By everyone switching to NACS the entire fleet of CCS is now an adapter away. People will just default to NACS chargers...that will by majority be Tesla. Then Tesla can reinvest in charging stations with this new money and flood the market. Tesla could wholly snuff the market out while the companies are busy retrofitting chargers with Tesla's own plug.

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Post by shkkmo »

fomine3 wrote: post #553
shkkmo wrote: post #547

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> Without home parking charging, it's pure downgrade from gas experience. That may be your perspective, however I have family members who owned a plugin hybrid, had no at home charging capabilities, and found the experience superior. I suspect this is a use case that will become more prevelant at the regulatory incentives begin ramping up.

Did Your family have PHEV (not BEV) without charger? It just work as a great hybrid car with overkill battery capacity, so it works.

They did, but used it as a purely electric vehicle except for road trips.

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Post by 93po »

ffgjgf1 wrote: post #593
93po wrote: post #348

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Super chargers can charge a Tesla up to 250kw

The cost of getting one is what? I have a 22kW CCS charger at home and it is seems perfectly fine.

My point being the connector, which is the topic here, is the exact same form factor while still delivering 10x what that chunky one does in the poster's situation. The choice isn't "small tesla form factor and slow" versus "chunky and a tiny bit faster"

The cost of the supercharger isn't really relevant either, most US homes are gonna max out at 200 amp service which is a max of 48kw, but realistically probably half that due to your house needing electricity and a single custom circuit unlikely to be over 100 amps.

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Post by rconti »

brnt wrote: post #574
rconti wrote: post #522

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It is janky as hell, but it sounds like EV owners are making their lives more difficult in just slightly different ways from how you're making your life more difficult :)

I really can't believe how the idea of giving random companies access to electronics, which is what installing an app means, ever got normalised, even among techies. I guess people also do give out tons of personal details just because some form asks them. It goes against any and all security advice even regular people are now given. I guess it's true: the brosephs ook over... So having an electric car requires an sm…

I don't disagree with your principles; I was definitely on your side of the issue ~25 years ago and I suppose I still am, intellectually. I never changed my mind, it just wasn't important enough to me to put the substantial effort into. (which is, I suppose, what "they" are counting on). More power to you for investing the effort rather than just taking the path of least resistance.

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Post by natch »

grecy wrote: post #610
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The billions in federal government subsidies (funded by the Inflation Reduction Act) will more than make up for any potential licensing fees. I wouldn't be surprised if Tesla is paying other manufactures to switch; we may never know as the agreements are confidential.

Please link to an article that documents a single subsidy that Tesla got from the government.

Crickets. Legacy auto has gotten so many multi billion dollar bailouts but people keep repeating this lie about Tesla without delving into big oil and legacy auto.
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