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Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by rchaud »

impulser_ wrote: post #416
DonnyV wrote: post #259

This is so crazy. Google invented transformers which is the bases for all these models. How do they keep fumbling like this over and over. Google Docs created in 2006! Microsoft is eating their lunch. Google creates the ability to change VM's in place and makes a fully automated datacenter. Amazon and Microsoft are killing them in the cloud. Google has been working on self driving longer than anyone. Tesla is catchin…

You bring up fumbles, but they still have the more products with more than a billion users than any company in the world. This is what Google has always cared about. Bring application to the billions of users. People are forgetting Google is the most profitable AI company in the world right now. All of their products use ML and AI. So who is losing? The goal of Gemini isn't to build a chatbot like ChatGPT despite Goo…

> All of their products use ML and AI.

Is that supposed to be a vote of confidence for the current state of Google search?

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Post by acdha »

impulser_ wrote: post #416
DonnyV wrote: post #259

This is so crazy. Google invented transformers which is the bases for all these models. How do they keep fumbling like this over and over. Google Docs created in 2006! Microsoft is eating their lunch. Google creates the ability to change VM's in place and makes a fully automated datacenter. Amazon and Microsoft are killing them in the cloud. Google has been working on self driving longer than anyone. Tesla is catchin…

You bring up fumbles, but they still have the more products with more than a billion users than any company in the world. This is what Google has always cared about. Bring application to the billions of users. People are forgetting Google is the most profitable AI company in the world right now. All of their products use ML and AI. So who is losing? The goal of Gemini isn't to build a chatbot like ChatGPT despite Goo…

> People are forgetting Google is the most profitable AI company in the world right now. All of their products use ML and AI.

> So who is losing?

The people who use their products, which are worse than they’ve been in decades? The people who make the content Google now displays without attribution on search results?

Re: Gemini "duck" demo was not done in realtime or with voice

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Post by rchaud »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #368
_the_inflator wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I say it again and again: sales, sales. Money is earned in enterprise domains. And this business is so totally different to Google in every way imaginable. Senior Managers love customer support, SLAs - Google loves automation. Two worlds collide.

Google Workspace works through resellers, they train less people, and those people give the customer support instead. IMO Google's bad reputation comes from their public customer support.

> IMO Google's bad reputation comes from their public customer support.

Garbage in = garbage out.

If Google cannot deign to assign internal resources and staffing towards providing first-party support for paid products, it's not a good choice over the competition. You're not going to beat the incumbent (Office 365) by skimping on customer service.

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Post by turquoisevar »

godelski wrote: post #497
im3w1l wrote: post #484

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me it sounds like a useful thing, for communicating your vision and getting early feedback on whether you are building the right thing. Like uh, a live action blueprint. Let's say the client is like "Email???? That's no good. It needs to be a text message". Now you have saved yourself the trouble of implementing email.

> To me it sounds like a useful thing To me it sounds like lying... Context matters a ton though. Are you presenting the demo as if the events are being automatically triggered (as in the OP) or are you presenting as this is your plan? Explicitly. If it is implicit, it's deceptive. If you explicitly do not say what parts are faked, it is lying. Of course in a magic show this is totally okay because you're going to th…

There have literally been people sued over this because they used it to get funding; the most extreme example, where they kept doing it well beyond demo purposes, is Theranos.

And yet, you’ll still have people here acting like it’s totally fine.

As you said, it’s one thing to demonstrate a prototype, a “this is how we intend for it to work.” It’s a whole other thing to present it as the real deal.

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Post by turquoisevar »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #37

I have used Swype texting since the t9 days. If I demoed swype texting as it functions in my day to day life to someone used to a querty keyboard they would never adopt it The rate at which it makes wrong assumptions about the word, or I have to fix it is probably 10% to 20% of the time However because it’s so easy to fix this is not an issue and it doesn’t slow me down at all. So within the context of the different…

You make a decent point, but you might underestimate how much this Gemini demo is faked[0].

In your Swype analogy, it would be as if Swype works by having to write out on a piece of paper the general goal of what you're trying to convey, then having to write each individual letter on a Post-it, only for you to then organize these Post-its in the correct order yourself.

This process would then be translated into a slick promo video of someone swiping away on their keyboard.

This is not a matter of “eh, it doesn't 100% work as smooth as advertised.”

0: https://techcrunch.com/2023/12/07/googles-best-gemini-demo-w...

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Post by scotty79 »

crazygringo wrote: post #174
htk wrote: post #86

The whole Gemini webpage and contents felt weird to me, it's in the uncanny valley of trying to look and feel like an Apple marketing piece. The hyperbolic language, surgically precise ethnic/gender diversity, unnecessary animations and the sales pitch from the CEO felt like a small player in the field trying to pass as a big one.

> surgically precise ethnic/gender diversity What does that mean and why is it bad? Diversity in marketing is used because, well, your desired market is diverse. I don't know what it means for it to be surgically precise, though.

It's new token black guy. It's not completely bad, just feels inauthentic.

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Post by barfingclouds »

DonnyV wrote: post #259

This is so crazy. Google invented transformers which is the bases for all these models. How do they keep fumbling like this over and over. Google Docs created in 2006! Microsoft is eating their lunch. Google creates the ability to change VM's in place and makes a fully automated datacenter. Amazon and Microsoft are killing them in the cloud. Google has been working on self driving longer than anyone. Tesla is catchin…

Tesla will not beat them at self driving simply due to hardware at the very least

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Post by mmanfrin »

DonnyV wrote: post #259

This is so crazy. Google invented transformers which is the bases for all these models. How do they keep fumbling like this over and over. Google Docs created in 2006! Microsoft is eating their lunch. Google creates the ability to change VM's in place and makes a fully automated datacenter. Amazon and Microsoft are killing them in the cloud. Google has been working on self driving longer than anyone. Tesla is catchin…

> Google has been working on self driving longer than anyone. Tesla is catching up and will most likely beat them.

I agree with your general post but I disagree with this. Tesla's FSD is so far behind Google it's almost negligent on the part of Tesla despite having so much more data.

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Post by turquoisevar »

newaccount74 wrote: post #78
pb7 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard disagree. I could type your whole comment without any typos completely blindly (except maybe "QWERTY" because uppercaps don't get autocorrected).

Apple autocorrect has a tendency to replace technical terms with similar words, eg. rvm turns into rum or ram or something. It's even worse on the watch somehow. I take care to hit every key exactly, the correct word is there, I hit space, boom replaced with a completely different word. On the watch it seems to replace almost every word with bullshit, not just technical terms.

They've pretty much solved this with iOS 17. You can even use naughty words now, provided you use it for a day or so to have it get used to your vocabulary.

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Post by lizard »

addicted wrote: post #530
joshspankit wrote: post #505

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it’s not cheating because the ask was “something” not “some program”

Which is only not cheating if it was presented as not a program and a fellow project mate sending out an email. In US colleges at least (only because that’s where I have personal experience…not because I believe standards are any higher or lower here), this is cheating if they led their professor to believe that it was indeed the raspberry pi sending out an email rather than someone at the back of the class.

You're assuming the objective was to develop a functioning program on the Pi.

But what if the Pi was only ever meant as a story-telling device to get the students thinking about the kinds of things computer programs can do?

Sure, some of students would be able tell a story by building a functioning program, but dvsfish simply found another way to tell theirs.

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