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Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by rascul »

rainsford wrote: post #388
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Especially most trucks I'd argue not. Many trucks are driven by folks in the trades. If I were to guess, I'd put my money on SUVs having the largest fraction of users who rarely if ever push the vehicle to its limits. That or sports cars.

> Many trucks are driven by folks in the trades. It's a little hard to believe that's the primary market given the design trends in trucks that seemingly make them less attractive and useful to tradespeople while being more appealing to folks in the fashion accessory market. For example, the trend of trucks getting more and more expensive with luxury features and interiors or the increasing popularity of short beds w…

Luxury features and interiors and giant cabins can be great for those tradespeople who have to ride in the truck every day.

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Post by jeffreyrogers »

agnosticmantis wrote: post #518

Holy mother of dark patterns! The default tab in the table is the “PROBABLE SAVINGS*” tab instead of the actual prices. (There’s actually no actual price, just estimates.) Besides, does anybody believe their estimated prices for “available in 2025”? * From the same trusted salesman who sold robotaxies making $30k/year!

There is a $7.5k tax credit which definitely counts as savings. The gas savings are more speculative, and it's debatable if that's reasonable to count (many people compare lifetime cost of ownership when making a car purchase though).

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Post by wilg »

riscy wrote: post #559
chung8123 wrote: post #482

It is extremely misleading to include gas savings as a reduction in purchase price. If anything that should be used as a comparison of overall operating costs and cost more than the purchase price but not as much more as the gas competitor.

Yes, they’re assuming electricity is free.

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Post by oh_sigh »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #59

I ordered mine for resale the second it was available. The more of a Clusterfuck this is the more valuable they will be to the current breed of nihilist capitalists. Knowing you can’t resale for a year again, just ensures demand for Gen 1 Cybertruck will just be delayed but increases the scarcity fears of people who actually care for some reason. Reselling cult members their own merch is old magic

They dropped that clause.

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Post by geerlingguy »

Yodel0914 wrote: post #593
HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #545

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> Drive by wire kind of scares me Physical linkages break too.

Yeah, but not from a bad firmware update

Yeah... I've encountered thousands of software bugs in my lifetime. Including with critical car systems like the gas pedal on my Toyota.

I don't know anyone with a passenger car who's ever had the steering wheel linkage break to the point turning the steering wheel stopped affecting the wheels. I like the failsafe there. Hopefully at least the brake cylinder is still connected to the brake pedal mechanically?

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agnosticmantis wrote: post #518

Holy mother of dark patterns! The default tab in the table is the “PROBABLE SAVINGS*” tab instead of the actual prices. (There’s actually no actual price, just estimates.) Besides, does anybody believe their estimated prices for “available in 2025”? * From the same trusted salesman who sold robotaxies making $30k/year!

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Post by qarl »

riscy wrote: post #559
chung8123 wrote: post #482

It is extremely misleading to include gas savings as a reduction in purchase price. If anything that should be used as a comparison of overall operating costs and cost more than the purchase price but not as much more as the gas competitor.

Yes, they’re assuming electricity is free.

Oh come on... what's a little fibbing among friends?

I heard that if you buy a Cybertruck Elon will personally write you checks for your increased electrical usage. I'm sure it must be true.

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Post by jaggederest »

boznz wrote: post #594
demondemidi wrote: post #523

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why did you call out the CAN bus for water penetration? I thought it was an electrical specification and logical protocol, does it specify wires too?

Correct neither CAN or Ethernet say anything about IP ratings, but I guess having an ethernet switch as a distribution rather than everything on a chain restricts the failure to one device.

This is the same kind of failure you used to see in 10base5 and 10base2 networks, where one computer having a loose terminator could cause the entire LAN to be offline. With 10baseT (and I assume automotive ethernet) the bus is contained in the hub/switch/router instead of needing to be terminated (as in CAN bus, from my brief research anyway)

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Post by Animats »

agnosticmantis wrote: post #518

Holy mother of dark patterns! The default tab in the table is the “PROBABLE SAVINGS*” tab instead of the actual prices. (There’s actually no actual price, just estimates.) Besides, does anybody believe their estimated prices for “available in 2025”? * From the same trusted salesman who sold robotaxies making $30k/year!

From the announced US$39K to US$61K, plus two more years of delivery slip for the base model?

By the time it ships, Toyota should be shipping solid state batteries and Tesla's battery technology will be obsolete.

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Post by abawany »

bonestamp2 wrote: post #459
danans wrote: post #78

The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k (vs $60k for Cybertruck), same 250 mile range but AWD standard , and is a regular pickup truck compatible with standard accessories and parts for doing actual pickup truck work. Of course, most of the buyers of either the Cybertruck or the F150 Lightning probably aren't getting much dirt under their fingernails. Everyone I know doing construction/trade…

> same 250 mile range but AWD standard Unless I'm reading Ford's website wrong, 4x4 is not included at the $50k price... but I'd be happy to be wrong because that would be good value.

It was tough to find (it's odd that Ford is so subtle about this) but it is listed here: https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/models/f150-... ("dual electric motors, one for each axle"). They were so busy 'materializing' their specs pages they forgot to mention this feature anywhere afaict - I had to search on their site to find the above page.
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