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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by cormacrelf »

unoti wrote: post #524
HDThoreaun wrote: post #388

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> they didn't really do anything with it at all because they didn't have to. They didn't do anything with it because chatbots are unequivocally a worse business model than the current search paradigm. They cost exponentially more to run and are much harder to organically advertise with without scaring away users by making the chat responses themselves ads. If the future of search is chatbots Google is facing existent…

> They didn't do anything with it because chatbots are unequivocally a worse business model than the current search paradigm. I'm not so sure. Imagine having a human assistant that's smart enough to pass the bar, get an MBA, pass medical exams, and knows how to work on your car, and is good at brainstorming, and and and... And having that person do searches for you. Are you sure that working with this assistant would…

FYI the assistant is currently working for pennies per second. It costs a few cents of compute (I think including training) to respond to the average query. There are a few orders of magnitude to go.

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Post by bl4ckm0r3 »

I wonder if and, in case, how these new ai-powered search engines are going to change SEO status quo. At the moment, i think, this is only used to better understand user input, but could it be trained to extract content from text in a better way than we do today?

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

speedgoose wrote: post #420
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #191

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I don't see it as fumbling the ball. The technology is brand new and Google just yesterday announced they are currently testing bringing this to chat too. Just like Apple does not release folding phones and rear screens first, the major player does not need to be the first mover. OpenAI has grabbed all the publicity but this entire time Google research has been publishing their own work in the field and they have sho…

Meanwhile ChatGPT had 100 million users and 13 million daily users in January. They accumulated a lot of data and while I’m sure the Google engineers are very competent and fast, their large scale testing may not produce as much useful data. I think Google will manage in the long term, but for the current race it looks difficult.

This all assumes it’s even a good idea. Google is always extremely careful with their brand. We harp on them for canceling projects but to most people google is a search engine. And yes the quality of results has steadily declined for a long time, but deploying a large language model in google search has the potential to cause serious negative outcomes unlike slowly degrading search results.

I really don’t see it as a race, which presumes that moving first is an advantage. OpenAI is building their brand and wants to be known as an AI company, so it makes sense to release early versions of their system. Google is a well established company that can easily deploy this technology when they think it’s ready and eclipse OpenAI in users overnight. But even then it’s not about having the most users, it’s about building a new platform for the next 10+ years of search. Google is already the default. They can take their time and still do just fine.

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Post by braingenious »

dougmwne wrote: post #606
braingenious wrote: post #595

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I don’t really understand this line of reasoning. >In the Bing demo, they asked for the best gaming TV and boom, there was the gaming TV I just bought after doing the research myself the long way. No clicks, no revenue. In this example “no clicks, no revenue” applies more to Google than it does Bing. Bing maybe didn’t make any money off that particular search but they did demonstrate that they have a better product,…

The reasoning is: Google should continue to maximize dollars per click. They have an established revenue model and should not try to disrupt themselves. Short term profits over long term profits are favored by Wall Street. Microsoft has a tiny portion of the search and ads market. They have no substantial revenue to protect. If they try to disrupt search and succeed, but kill the click through ratio and number of sea…

I still do not see how this makes any logical sense for Google.

If:

>Short term profits over long term profits are favored by Wall Street.

Then: Why did they spend so much money inventing tech that so far has pretty much only allowed Microsoft to take money out of their pockets?

I’m genuinely trying to figure out a perspective where Google doesn’t look like a clown car.

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Post by Auracle »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #388
davesque wrote: post #289

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Yep. If Microsoft somehow overtakes Google from the back with Bing and ChatGPT, it'll be the tech coup of the century. And it's so fascinating how Google's position as an AI think tank put them at a tremendous disadvantage. They didn't cut a deal with OpenAI because why should they? After all, they originated much of the research that led to GPT3. But then they didn't really do anything with it at all because they di…

> they didn't really do anything with it at all because they didn't have to. They didn't do anything with it because chatbots are unequivocally a worse business model than the current search paradigm. They cost exponentially more to run and are much harder to organically advertise with without scaring away users by making the chat responses themselves ads. If the future of search is chatbots Google is facing existent…

And digital cameras were a worse business model than film.

If someone is going to do it - even though it might be a worse business model - it might as well be you.

But yeah, some of the chat responses will have to be ads. How they handle it will be key.

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Post by heleninboodler »

rvz wrote: post #325
heleninboodler wrote: post #198

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So your thinking is that they had an idea to extinguish $10 billion by giving it to a company and then destroying them?

You might want to read my comment again, since it appears you haven’t.

Well, ok, what specifically is being "extended" in this scenario?

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Post by zahma »

davesque wrote: post #289
epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

Yep. If Microsoft somehow overtakes Google from the back with Bing and ChatGPT, it'll be the tech coup of the century. And it's so fascinating how Google's position as an AI think tank put them at a tremendous disadvantage. They didn't cut a deal with OpenAI because why should they? After all, they originated much of the research that led to GPT3. But then they didn't really do anything with it at all because they di…

Would it also be a tech coup for privacy given that DDG uses Bing?

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Post by pphysch »

Jackson__ wrote: post #502
pphysch wrote: post #49

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Too early to say. Microsoft has to execute well, as a first-mover, while Google has to fail to execute. This could easily blow up in Microsoft's face (infrastructure failure or safety/correctness issues), or Google could put out a peer product and win simply due to existing momentum in search.

Rumor is that google will be deploying an 8 billion parameter version of lamda for their competitor, compared to the 176 Billion parameters used for GPT3.5. If that holds true, they might have already fatally fumbled the execution.

If it means average latency is 100ms instead of 1s or whatever the huge GPT model can currently serve to millions of content users, that matters a lot for search.

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Post by threeseed »

classified wrote: post #605
threeseed wrote: post #590

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Nobody is going to use a chat-bot if it is (a) constantly trying to sell you something or (b) going to give you biased results that are influenced by advertising spend. So OP is right that this model is going to be financially harmful to Google.

These exact things are alredy happening in Google search right now and people are still using it.

Google ads are clearly located at the top.

Search results themselves are not influenced by how much money you pay them.

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