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Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Re: Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Post by InCityDreams »

rpastuszak wrote: post #479
bearmode wrote: post #386

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the difficulty in canceling a subscription Never had an issue with this tbh, it's always very easy. Manage account > cancel plan. Hell, if you subscribe but then cancel within the same day, they give you a full refund. I've abused this a few times if I just need to do something quick - sub, use it for a few hours, cancel, and it doesn't cost me anything.

I'm paying via Paypal so I've just cancelled the adobe subscription through their subscription management panel. Is there any reason why this might be a bad idea? PS I just remembered that I forgot to cancel the subscription and they want to charge me 40 quid for the rest of the year. I even had a reminder set, but I missed it. So annoying.

> Is there any reason why this might be a bad idea?

Due diligence? Don't get into adobe without an adequate escape plan.

..."but I missed it".

Given the amount of information regarding adobe being a bunch of cntz over the last many years, you got anyone you actually want to blame?

And £40? You got a write-off procedure?

Re: Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Post by bokchoi »

Vinnl wrote: post #530
eagsalazar2 wrote: post #455

Just checked out Penpot, it's pretty good! Definitely usable for daily driving although I'm sure looking deeper there will be some features I miss. Going to try importing some Figma designs...

Link: https://penpot.app It's also open source! Discussed on HN before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30407913 Oh, and of course on the frontpage now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32851262

And it's clojure!

Re: Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Post by sixstringtheory »

joshe wrote: post #379

This is probably the only tech acquisition that's ever made me sad. I just hate Adobe so much. The nightmare of their installer, the weird store with horrible designs popping up when you activate normal ui stuff, the difficulty in canceling a subscription, and the stasis in their product and ui. Oh and the sloppiness of Lightroom on mac with it's weird ui and that it didn't even import and manage photos well. I've be…

I sympathize with you and agree with everything except this:

> the stasis in their … ui

I look for that in products I use a lot over long periods of time. I can’t stand when companies are constantly

> reworking ui just for the craft of it

Re: Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Post by zeruch »

Lorin wrote: post #486
joshe wrote: post #379

This is probably the only tech acquisition that's ever made me sad. I just hate Adobe so much. The nightmare of their installer, the weird store with horrible designs popping up when you activate normal ui stuff, the difficulty in canceling a subscription, and the stasis in their product and ui. Oh and the sloppiness of Lightroom on mac with it's weird ui and that it didn't even import and manage photos well. I've be…

They ruined Macromedia as well. Fireworks was a fantastic hybrid vector/bitmap editing tool perfect for web work.

Fireworks was truly brilliant in its day (and probably still usable now TBH, but I like using archaic tools sometimes for purely artistic reasons).

What happened with Macromedia was tragic.

Re: Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Post by unstrategic »

jjcm wrote: post #608
unstrategic wrote: post #604

Figma was never on track to change the world. They were an Adobe clone from the beginning, out-executing them, but fundamentally exactly as anti-innovative. Not that $20B is anything to shake a stick at — but real innovation in this market will be worth one to two orders of magnitude more. Figma was scratching at this with their "whole org collab" vision and FigJam, but they lacked the vision to crack it, and their e…

"but fundamentally exactly as anti-innovative." Would love to hear more about this thought. Disclaimer: figma employee.

When Adobe acquired Macromedia, they extinguished an entire paradigm of design tool: "design tools that create software." Back in the booming 90's, this paradigm was _the future_.

Through that acquisition, Adobe shoe-horned the world into a paradigm of "hand-offs," and Figma's leadership (namely, Sho) doubled down on the "hand-off" vision. "Play Adobe games."

The future for collaborating on software design & build looks more like Flash, and less like Photoshop (though obviously, not quite like either.) "Exactly as anti-innovative."

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Post by Tagbert »

derefr wrote: post #487
Lorin wrote: post #486

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They ruined Macromedia as well. Fireworks was a fantastic hybrid vector/bitmap editing tool perfect for web work.

Always wondered why an indie app developer hasn't just decided to work their image-editor app up as "the new Fireworks." Many other image-editor apps do now take Fireworks' same non-destructive hybrid editing approach... kind of . But they're always missing one thing or another. Either: 1. they aren't multiplatform (can't get "standard" adoption like Fireworks if you're macOS-only) 2. they don't go far enough with th…

Affinity Designer is a good vector/bitmap combo app. It closely parallels Illustrator features but adds in basic bitmap editing. If you pair it with Affinity Photo you get most of the Photoshop features. The same files can be shared with both without any loss of fidelity.

Re: Adobe to acquire Figma for $20B

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Post by thehappypm »

connor11528 wrote: post #537

According to the FTC the law states that mergers are illegal when the effect "may be substantially to lessen competition or to tend to create a monopoly." Pretty positive this would lessen competition in design software and restablish Adobe as a monopoly. This merger should be blocked. https://www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/gui...

Miro and Canva are really similar to Figma, no ?

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Post by killerdhmo »

c0mptonFP wrote: post #575
patcon wrote: post #554

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> discovered it had gone subscription-only as well, meaning my entire photo library would now be trapped on my old laptop unless I paid a monthly fee forever. I empathize, but isn't all this the reason they would fork out so much for figma? I mean, people hated them for going subscription with the tools that used to be desktop, but they absolutely adore figma that has never been anything but subscription. It's confus…

> but they absolutely adore figma that has never been anything but subscription. Doesn't Figma have a free tier? That changes everything.

So do many adobe products, including XD; their Figma competitor
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