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Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by LtWorf »

prepend wrote: post #565
cauthon wrote: post #206

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> ather for something focused like scientific research, you can go years and years without reaching 10k messages I don’t know what kind of scientists you’ve worked with, but I haven’t met any so short-winded

I work with a ton of scientists (and am one myself) and I’m a member of multiple slack channels with hundreds of members that are years old and only have a 1-2k messages. An example is a Python users group where there’s maybe a few threads a week. And it’s really useful to search for old threads. Another is a hackathon with maybe 30 people where there were a few hundred messages over a week and then 1 message a month…

Self host a forum…

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Post by jwie »

joshspankit wrote: post #208
jmull wrote: post #163

People should understand this: A free tier is a loss-leader, intended to support sales of the paid product. If too many “…have been happily using Slack’s free plan for years”, then Slack will have to change the terms. Generally, storage and access to storage cost money. If you aren’t paying for it, it is definitely temporary, whether anyone says it explicitly or not. I don’t just mean in a “nothing lasts forever” way…

True, but there’s also something vital that does not show on the balance sheet (and can sink companies): Excellent tools spread through the best kind of word of mouth. Excellent tools that are free spread even faster and further. There’s no way to know how many corporate plans were sold because a single team member relied on Slack outside of work, or how many pro user accounts exist because someone was visiting a Sla…

After the Salesforce acquisition SF may believe they no longer need this funnel, since Slack now has access to all Salesforce customers and vice versa.

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Post by LtWorf »

tsujp wrote: post #399

Honestly... good. For company-private communication sure but for FLOSS projects it genuinely irks me that Slack (Discord too) is _ever_ used as a communication medium. Make a forum, use IRC/Matrix or even Gitter/RocketChat. Almost all the time whenever I reluctantly decide to join a FLOSS project's Slack it works out like this: (1) Hunt for the invitation link and hope I can actually join because a lot of them have t…

Yeah an IRC channel is a /join away… I refuse to engage with projects that use things that require accounts.

#ubuntu requires a registered nickname, so that's terrible as well :D

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Post by minusSeven »

chrisseaton wrote: post #491
hnarn wrote: post #481

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Everybody understands this. Here’s what companies don’t understand: if you promote your product through a loss leader — which is arguably how Slack became popular in the first place — changing your pricing at a later date will piss people off. You’re trying to put the blame on the consumer here which never makes any sense from a business perspective. If your loss-leading pricing strategy was unsustainable from the st…

> will piss people off Well it pisses off the people who aren't paying you anything. It probably pleases the people who were paying you, because now they don't have to subsidise the people who aren't.

>It probably pleases the people who were paying you, because now they don't have to subsidise the people who aren't.

Bullshit. It's unclear communication and indecisiveness that pisses people off. If you can't afford it, there is no reason for you to give something for free and then later take it away. People who are paying will feel that samething will happen to them in other ways. You want consistency.

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Post by oblio »

immibis wrote: post #610
freddie_mercury wrote: post #233

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Whose existing banking system? The Chinese one? The Japanese one? The Egyptian one? The Indian one?

Any. Every. Whatever the user has. Banks already figure this out amongst each other - the browser just needs to convey an IBAN (or other format), currency and amount to the user's bank and let it be their problem.

Exactly. I proposed SWIFT and people latched onto to it to criticize when it was just a detail.

You put it better, just have any layer on top of IBANs. 0 need for crypto.

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Post by oblio »

freddie_mercury wrote: post #591
oblio wrote: post #290

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The Ancient Roman one. The one most people use. SWIFT. And yeah, blah blah sanctions, Russia, Iran, like most of the world's business is happening there and like the crypto Ponzi schemers really care about the "under-banked".

SWIFT isn't remotely suitable for micropayments. Most banks have to go through a correspondent bank that is going to charge at least $5 per transfer.

Ok, then use anything else or get banks to come up with another one.

How, pray tell, would a cryptocurrency help here? You have all the crypto disadvantages (either untested or slow or scams or boiling the planet...) plus the same issue with adoption. We already have banks and they already have bank accounts. We have SWIFT, SEPA, etc. They know how to talk to each other. Get them to modify an existing protocol or make a new one for microtransactions.

It's a super hard task but with crypto you still have that super hard task (adoption) plus crypto itself (a million drawbacks).

It's not scientific and it's not engineering.

You solve a problem with the simplest equivalent solution, no more.

Crypto is like God. It gets sprinkled over every discussion. There's a reason science doesn't go: "A equals B plus God" to prove anything.

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