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Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by atwood22 »

Melatonic wrote: post #56
JadoJodo wrote: post #21

It's interesting (and sad) how the forums of yesteryear have essentially gone away entirely, with no good solutions popping up to replace them. I know they were/are incredibly prone to security issues, but they were good at one thing and one thing only: community. I recall spending a crazy amount of time refreshing the index on a site called TradeGamesNow (and to a lesser degree CheapAssGamer) waiting for new posts/c…

Yeah - one thing I dislike about Reddit - it has eaten up all of the small forums and killed them. On one hand Reddit can be great but on the other hand sometimes you just want to discuss some niche stuff or hobby - and too much other crap will spillover from other subreddits sometimes to make that as useful

Reddit is pretty much dead IMO. There seems to be a few substantial posts, if that, per day. Discord is way more active.

Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by insightcheck »

withinboredom wrote: post #43
LunaSea wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discord just isn't a good fit for B2B

Yet?

Hypothetically, I wonder how Discord would pull off a shift to enterprise. A big differentiator is that Discord is more for casual conversation. By changing the current successful product, it won't stand out versus Slack/Teams.

However, a fork to a separate version of Discord sounds very, very costly in terms of resources. They would need a lot of software development (when their current developers are already occupied with the main app), and a costly marketing strategy too (to reframe Discord's fork as non-casual and suitable for business).

The shift sounds very expensive, and I'm not sure how Discord could make it pay off.

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Post by imperialdrive »

major505 wrote: post #30

I mean, where are we gonna go? Microsoft Teams? Damn thing is terrible. I guess Discord can be a option.

Teams is a mess, but it's a Microsoft supported mess that integrates with the rest of their mess. Granted I run version 1.5.00.23452 as of today which is even more messy than public.

Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by phpisthebest »

lolinder wrote: post #55
userbinator wrote: post #29

IRC has always been free and you can search as much as you've logged... One thing that a lot of people seem to have difficulty understanding is just how little space text takes up; someone typing at 120wpm continuously for 28h has only generated a little over 1MB of text. No doubt Slack is taking advantage of that lack of understanding to make people think the costs are greater.

Slack allows image and file uploads, and in every slack I've been on that feature is used heavily. Those stack up fast.

We need a IRC client that will convert images to ASCII art.

no one needs anything more than ASCII art ;)

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Post by ledauphin »

danpalmer wrote: post #63

While this is a slimy tactic from Slack, I doubt that organisations significantly under the 10k message limit over 90 days are actually benefitting from it. That’s 110 messages a day. Fewer than ~5 users and regular personal IM applications are probably easier to use than Slack. Fewer than 20 messages a day and the messages are probably long enough form that email or documents would be a better option. Slack is a lot…

I am sorry to report from the front lines that such users and use cases do, in fact, exist.

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Post by fivre »

JadoJodo wrote: post #21

It's interesting (and sad) how the forums of yesteryear have essentially gone away entirely, with no good solutions popping up to replace them. I know they were/are incredibly prone to security issues, but they were good at one thing and one thing only: community. I recall spending a crazy amount of time refreshing the index on a site called TradeGamesNow (and to a lesser degree CheapAssGamer) waiting for new posts/c…

rather ironic given that, in at least some instances i use, the primary mode of using slack (to the point that some members will complain if you violate it) is as a shitty forum. most discussions are segregated into threads; there isn't really much in channels other than the collection of initial messages that started a thread.

i despise this given that there's nothing like the bump mechanic in channels (threads with newer posts don't move to the top of a list, they just stay in their original chronological order), and in the thread view where there is, you can't keep threads uncompressed, there's no pagination for threads with 100s of messages, and finding individual threads is a chore because they're still not completely compressed.

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Post by sushid »

tabbott wrote: post #61
JadoJodo wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for posting that. In taking a second look, I do see a link about installing it yourself. Though given the section mentioning it on the pricing page is below the fold, I'm not sure that I would go so far as to say they _encourage_ it. But it's good they have the option (and I did see info about vendors who also host)

My personal test for whether an open source company encourages self-hosting is whether any plans/pricing page advertises "Self hosting" in a parallel/equal way to how they advertise commercial offerings.

If they do, it just means that they're making more $$$ from you for providing that feature. Otherwise they're under-monetizing and all it tells you is that they don't have their pricing and growth strategy put together.

Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by nerdponx »

systemvoltage wrote: post #67
layoric wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is absolutely a self hosting option with Discourse, and in fact they encourage it. [0] Here is their install guide [1] [0] https://github.com/discourse/discourse [1] https://github.com/discourse/discourse/blob/main/docs/INSTAL...

I much prefer the rusty old phpBB UI over Discourse. It was clunky but usually it is an indicator of high quality community that's been run for many years and a bunch of gray beards hanging out having a good time. UI was just fine. PhpBB is still alive and kicking: https://www.phpbb.com/

I do miss the old forums, but Discourse is pretty nice with Markdown formatting and its tagging system. Much better full-text search than the old-style forums too.
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