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Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by Foobar8568 »

ianai wrote: post #606
uniqueuid wrote: post #570

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Thank you for this comment, it's incredibly true. Some elementary school teachers I know (in Europe) repeatedly remind me how important non-academic elements are in school. * Kids go to school to get emotional care. * Kids go to school to get attention, and someone to listen. * Kids go to school to learn social behavior. * Kids go to school to have a surrogate mommy to care for them while parents work. * Kids go to s…

Wow that’s absolutely not what public school was like for me. It was brutality left right and center. My first grade teacher put me in “remedial class” after she “caught” me being able to read upside down and backwards. She was across the room at the time. Then there’s all the bullying on the playground - including being knocked out unconscious the first time I actually stood up to a bully. The school punished us bot…

First week ever of school, my daughter was bitten to almost bleeding. Some kids (both 4yo) tried to kiss her on her mouth, she pushed him away.

This year (7-8yo), one sexually harassed her, school did shit, so she is homeschooling now.

I won't say more but many other things, including a crazy teacher humiliating kids as punishment (in a nutshell, asking the classmates to laugh at the kid), only listening to bullies etc.

If this is the so called socialization, fuck school. And we are in a supposedly a good town in Switzerland.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by ianai »

Foobar8568 wrote: post #611
ianai wrote: post #606

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Wow that’s absolutely not what public school was like for me. It was brutality left right and center. My first grade teacher put me in “remedial class” after she “caught” me being able to read upside down and backwards. She was across the room at the time. Then there’s all the bullying on the playground - including being knocked out unconscious the first time I actually stood up to a bully. The school punished us bot…

First week ever of school, my daughter was bitten to almost bleeding. Some kids (both 4yo) tried to kiss her on her mouth, she pushed him away. This year (7-8yo), one sexually harassed her, school did shit, so she is homeschooling now. I won't say more but many other things, including a crazy teacher humiliating kids as punishment (in a nutshell, asking the classmates to laugh at the kid), only listening to bullies e…

One of my first bullies (around 7-9 yo, I think?) was my “best friend” at the time. As an adult I suspect he just singled me out and I wouldn’t have known any better. Social pressure may have contributed there too. He would grow his fingernails out, sharpen them to points, and dig them into my hands until I bled on the playground.

I vehemently support homeschool. The homeschooled adults I met in both college and in professional work are some of the best able to actually deal with reality. They’re not perfect and can be downright unaware, but that’s going to be true of anything. The bullying out there overrides any benefits.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by sanedigital »

khazhoux wrote: post #313
shmel wrote: post #233

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I didn't say they don't work. They clearly work to significantly reduce deaths and hospitalizations. I totally agree on this. But they didn't stop the spread anywhere in the world. If you want to paint me with your stereotypes, go ahead.

In fairness, you are using the stereotypical language of anti-science vaccine deniers: "Non-compliance", "Take back your freedom."

Being anti-mandate doesn't make you anti-vax. It's not GP's fault if you can't tell the difference.

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Post by ryathal »

abyssin wrote: post #589
jay_kyburz wrote: post #531

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What shocked me (here in Australia) was that every teacher is creating their own resources to give to the kids. They are probably all working towards a similar curriculum, but all the "projects" and handouts and stuff that the kids were given to work from was created by their teacher. Thousands of teachers all over Australia (and the world) are recreating the same resources every year! How is there not a national lev…

I’m shocked by the same thing in Belgium. Most of teachers’ work outside class could be automated if they decided to work collaboratively. I still can’t understand why they decide not to, and frankly I’m a bit worried that such people are in charge of teaching my kids. As a child, I remember seeing the poor quality of the material we were given, and hearing how hard teachers had worked to produce it. What’s the messa…

I think you're getting the better deal. In America we offloaded a lot of lesson planning, worksheets, and more to independent companies. The problem arises with this because many teachers now just rely on answer keys, and can't answer why an answer is what it is, or notice that the given answer wasn't actually correct. Since teachers aren't putting in the work to design anything, some aren't putting in the work to teach beyond the given script, so they really can't do anything beyond read to kids. This unsurprisingly, leads to poor results.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by DarylZero »

adam_arthur wrote: post #402
quadrifoliate wrote: post #280

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> How many person-hours of lost productivity is there for each day a classroom is closed? At least a hundred per classroom, more than a thousand for each day a school is closed. I think I must have missed the point at which classrooms took on a responsibility for parental productivity? If so, does parental productivity also fall drastically during summer when schools have holidays? Stresses by the pandemic itself hav…

In a market based economy, wage is determined by supply and demand. Then, high wages incentivize new people to enter the high wage field, and low wages disincentivize new entrants. This is a societally productive outcome, because labor gets allocated to the most economically beneficial sectors naturally through fluctuations in wages. If we had 10x the number of engineers, wages would drop significantly. Imagine, for…

> Whole conversation around free college is starting from the wrong premise (that 4 year college should even be the baseline). College is largely just a signaling tool,

Maybe signalling your ability to pay!

Making it tuition-free is a good step toward stopping some of that bullshit.

University system is a kind of self-governing guild system. The signal is approval from the older generation who satisfied the requirements of the system in their time. It may be a signal that the younger group has put up with their bullshit hazing. Or that they met some reasonable standards. The money requirement is more like the bullshit hazing.

> and the long duration and requirement makes switching career paths very costly, and pretty much impossible for people who aren't in their 20s. Even if it were made free

Not really. It requires no more time investment than a full-time job. For working age people seeking career advancement not a problem.

Replacing the income of a full-time job is part of the funding requirement that is more important for older people.

> Doctors in particular are problematic, because as I understand it the AMA limits number of new doctors creating an artificial shortage

Any degree system is "artificial scarcity" inherently. Even if the number of spots isn't fixed centrally, you have some social ("artificial") process for including and excluding people. The more exclusive the process, the higher prestige the degree can confer. You cannot remove the exclusivity while preserving the degree.

(And maybe we should get rid of a lot of the degrees and the social divisions they create... I don't especially feel that way for MDs though.)

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Post by rdtwo »

tschwimmer wrote: post #516
rdtwo wrote: post #483

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At some point you get too old and you outgrow your college peer group. I think 2 years is the most id recommend. College is like 30% study 30% social and 40% getting the initial experience that you can use to start that first job.

This doesn't pass the smell test to me. Plenty of seniors were friends with freshman and sophomores at my university. Maybe it's a bit rare to see an outgoing senior hanging out with a fresh out of high school freshman but less extreme examples were super common.

I just remember that there were some out of military guys in our program and they never really connected with the other under grads. They had more in common with grad students so perhaps they found more friends amongst that group.

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Post by rjbwork »

diputsmonro wrote: post #447
lucaspm98 wrote: post #415

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That is a highly political, opinionated, and pessimistic take. You can just as easily say that the "pendulum swing" hard left has been causing our current issues, and that at least a balancing out could be a natural and needed correction.

Could you explain that then, because honestly I can't fathom how a "hard left" pendulum swing has created our current issues. The US has arguably been swinging to the right for decades, and certainly is pretty right-wing compared to most other western democratic nations.

You probably won't get a good answer. The conception of political "wings" and the current FPTP party duopoly along those wings is hilariously narrow in the US. Our Overton window ranges from "genocidal fascists" to "okay maybe the government should build roads sometimes".

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

TeeMassive wrote: post #556
ryanobjc wrote: post #528

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You’re wrong about San Francisco having a $1.1B budget for homelessness. In fy2021-2022 the amount is $670M … over two years. SF spends 1/4 of the amount you accuse it of. Furthermore, it’s well known that other counties near and far send their homeless people here. So as a SF tax payer… I think you owe me many thanks for taking care of your homeless people.

https://hsh.sfgov.org/about/budget/ > The FY21-23 HSH budget leverages $1.2 billion over the next two years in federal, state, and local resources (including Prop C funds). In addition to HSH’s existing commitments

…wait, im seeing in here that they plan to add 4,000 new homes to addresss homelessness. Given the real estate pricing of SF it makes sense it would be expensive as fuck. Why are folks mad at SF govt? They should be mad at landowners for price gouging on rent.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

xwdv wrote: post #224
giraffe_lady wrote: post #90

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I was with you until you got to the... breeding... thing.

Humans breed like any other animal, not sure why people take offense to pointing out biological processes. Mates get selected based on environmental factors and fitness, and increasingly, social status. In the future, rich girls still won’t marry poor boys.

Are you sure? The definitions of fitness are very vague here, and not just measured on wealth. There are plenty of wealthy women with less-wealthy boytoys and trophy husbands. There are increasingly plenty of hardworking breadwinning women with stay at home dads. A man who lives to work and has no real domestic skill is increasingly unattractive.

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Post by dqpb »

bmitc wrote: post #144
monkeybutton wrote: post #14

So, is Covid the shock that leads to the education system being reinvented for the better or do school boards just keep bumbling along like before? Do zero-tolerance policies really work? Why are students falling behind in mathematics compared to the rest of the world? Does overloading of take home work produce better test scores, or does it just consume free time and stress out kids? Are teachers ever going to be pa…

I think COVID is the inflection point that puts the U.S. behind compared to other countries who have a more collective culture and less extremism in politics. I have seen nearly every aspect of life in the U.S. take a major hit. Nearly no one cares about anything, and the attitude of taking care of me myself and I seems rampant. I have been worried about children since day one, from social disorders to education. We…

China seems to be doing great. Economy is way up, Covid cases almost non-existent, decisive education reforms, strong new military alliances.

Based on the news being fed to me, it’s almost as if the pandemic didn’t even happen to them.

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