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No Way to Grow Up

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Re: No Way to Grow Up

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I'd love to see an emotionless cost-benefit analysis of different approaches to handling schools in the pandemic. I suspect the cost of closed schools far exceeds what we intuitively think, since it's not just the educational loss now, it's the cost of future mitigations due to the problems we're causing, and a large cost of lost productivity by parents. How many person-hours of lost productivity is there for each da…

First, let's learn to account for emotional, mental, spiritual costs. Then we can talk about the productivity hit.

Ok, how do you measure spiritual costs?

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And what is going to happen? Pass a bill to provide additional support to schools? Hell, Anything? No. Nothing is ever done. Nothing ever happens except decay. The United States is spinning down its governmental duties. The pendulum will swing right again, and that will be the death blow. They will continue to gut public and infrastructure programs. All 3 branches will finally truly be a jobs program for the upper cl…

> Pass a bill to provide additional support to schools?

What do you suggest? More funding? The US has one of the most expensive public education systems per capita. We keep pouring more money into it and it keeps getting worse. I'm in favor of "providing additional support to schools" but it needs to be something other than throwing money at the problem.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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I don't give a shit what the article says or specifically points to but I can tell you this much. I am a dad of a 6 year old. My kid goes to public school in NYC and last year was bad... They did a test at the beginning of this year before the start of the first grade and her results were awful. This is an unprecedented event and everyone is clueless including in education. I don't make a big deal about the test resu…

You should move, as soon as possible.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was with you until you got to the... breeding... thing.

Humans breed like any other animal, not sure why people take offense to pointing out biological processes. Mates get selected based on environmental factors and fitness, and increasingly, social status. In the future, rich girls still won’t marry poor boys.

Feels to me like you're completely discounting an "Uptown girl" scenario. There are many instances where one might be looking for a downtown man (disclosure: That's what I am.)

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Left leaning politicians were pushed by teachers unions whose job is to advocate for the safety of the teachers.

Left leaning politicians also send their kids to private schools which did not shut down.

they did on the US

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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I'd love to see an emotionless cost-benefit analysis of different approaches to handling schools in the pandemic. I suspect the cost of closed schools far exceeds what we intuitively think, since it's not just the educational loss now, it's the cost of future mitigations due to the problems we're causing, and a large cost of lost productivity by parents. How many person-hours of lost productivity is there for each da…

> How many person-hours of lost productivity is there for each day a classroom is closed? At least a hundred per classroom, more than a thousand for each day a school is closed. I think I must have missed the point at which classrooms took on a responsibility for parental productivity? If so, does parental productivity also fall drastically during summer when schools have holidays? Stresses by the pandemic itself hav…

- Most parents I know (ourselves included) depend on summer camps.

- yes, teachers are severely underpaid and it makes little sense to me. Education is so important if not the most important matter for democracy but US messed it up so bad. I wish all teachers’ wages to double if not more.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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And what is going to happen? Pass a bill to provide additional support to schools? Hell, Anything? No. Nothing is ever done. Nothing ever happens except decay. The United States is spinning down its governmental duties. The pendulum will swing right again, and that will be the death blow. They will continue to gut public and infrastructure programs. All 3 branches will finally truly be a jobs program for the upper cl…

That is a highly political, opinionated, and pessimistic take. You can just as easily say that the "pendulum swing" hard left has been causing our current issues, and that at least a balancing out could be a natural and needed correction.

Could you explain that then, because honestly I can't fathom how a "hard left" pendulum swing has created our current issues. The US has arguably been swinging to the right for decades, and certainly is pretty right-wing compared to most other western democratic nations.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How could you argue we have gone "hard left" exactly? What is an event or piece of legislation that has been passed?

Some would say that spending $6 trillion in Ill leave the judgement to you, but it’s pretty obvious that things are not the same today as they were 3 years ago.

Yeah, that might have something to do with a major global pandemic, the response to which we completely bothched in our country.

Let's see, who was the party in charge then, hmm...

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Aaaaand there’s the consensus manufacturing the NYT is famous for.

I think so, too. Reversal of policies at the start of the new year! Expect more of these articles and a slow move to a Sweden approach this year. Of course the NYT omits that schools were open in several states, but that would be too much reality in a single dose.

Even here, remember when just the suggestion that Sweden’s streets were not going to run red with blood was met with almost violent opposition?
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