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The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by runnerup »

fl0wenol wrote: post #472
runnerup wrote: post #465

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I would pay twice as much upfront but that's not an option. So instead I pirate Windows 10 Enterprise which is an absolute dream OS for a prosumer. I'd buy it but I haven't been able to figure out how to.

That's exactly what you do. Find a guide on buying LTSC through a Microsoft partner. It's expensive but you can effectively install it many times. https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2167558-explicit-inst...

This is honestly wonderful news. $300 is entirely reasonable for a "clean", full-featured windows OS!

I'm on version 21H1 -- is this offered with the 2019 LTSC license? Or stuck with version 1909? I'm not sure that really matters for me personally - but sometimes it's confusing how this all works compared to the consumer editions. By confusing I just really just mean they don't seem offer this information upfront.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by SilasX »

yellowapple wrote: post #590
SilasX wrote: post #425

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In fairness, I see that on a lot of sites now and I almost want to say that's something browsers should be fixing. "Back" should take me to the exact page state, almost as if I had been following every page in a new tab (which is what they recommend now if you want to preserve where you were). It should be instant. But on most sites it hasn't been for a while.

> which is what they recommend now if you want to preserve where you were And which becomes more difficult when sites break middle-clicking and other shortcuts to open links in new tabs, or when the "links" ain't actually links but just something on which they tack on an onClick() and run a bunch of JS to reinvent the concept of a link.

Yes! I made a post about that just recently on Facebook, about how annoying that is. And I was told the workaround was to use the browser’s “duplicate tab” feature before opening one. But that doesn’t help either: it just loads the current url in a new tab, which loses page state.

What we need is something that locally duplicates the page state into another tab. But then, sites already break that by a) firing off requests that can be dangerous to duplicate (not idempotent) and b) synchronizing state across tabs (argh!) so you can’t have different state in different tabs for the same domain (or just session, idk).

Facebook is notorious about that last bit and won’t let you eg have one tab with your feed best visible and another with a conversation hovering over it all.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by raxxorrax »

29athrowaway wrote: post #518
XorNot wrote: post #428

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So how does this explain why Windows 10, which I have paid like $150 for per license, is now infested with ads, tracking and online presence - and close to impossible to buy without that. They aren't even trying to put a $ figure on what they think it's worth - because they can't be stopped from doing it. There is no implied agreement, it's exactly as stated.

Windows 11 is more invasive than 10. Why? Because all the anti-privacy bullshit on Windows 10 worked and nobody complained... We can call this situation the "Fuck yourself" pattern, where you give money to companies so they can innovate in new ways of fucking you.

They pay for it but they aren't able to connect the dots. Have you looked at the developer community of MS frameworks lately? Seems like a ghost town. Of course this is not the only reason, but for quite a few developers it is. I dropped .net completely because it isn't worth developing against a badly behaving OS. I am very sure the ad income doesn't recoup the loss in trust at all.

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Post by ring4234 »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #57

"Wow, fuck you. I just wanted to look at cats." "Well, fuck you, too. We're here to sell ads." It's not about dark patterns, that's just a second-order effect. It was never about dark patterns. This is the implied agreement. You understand it, or you don't. And if you don't, I guess you haven't been on the web in the past decade or something. What? You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical i…

> "Well, fuck you, too. We're here to sell ads."

Go fuck your self. Internet was never meant to be sell ads for you. Companies found loop hole and now you think you are entitled to it. Snap out of it asshole

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by salawat »

behnamoh wrote: post #489
tmearnest wrote: post #345

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I always loved it when someone hotlinked to an image on someone else’s server and instead of taking the image down, they’d replace it with something funny (or more frequently, horrible).

The Web wouldn't be a reliable "web" if that behavior were widespread.

I loved it when the web was less reliable.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by _trampeltier »

zomars wrote: post #609
_trampeltier wrote: post #502

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What I don't undestand, even Win 10 Pro has XBox and candys all over the place .. serious in a pro version?!? With the terrible EULA it all felt just like a joke to me and I deleted all my Windows installations and I'm Linux only now at home. I'm not using Linux because it is free. I have 4 unused Win10 Pro licenses at home now. But I just can't say yes to the EULA. So I dumped them all. In the late 90s I also bought…

Get Win LTSB. That's the most sane version.

You have to almost cheat to get an LTSB license as private person. This would be an option, if I could buy a such license official.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by brokenmachine »

nvarsj wrote: post #556
XorNot wrote: post #428

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So how does this explain why Windows 10, which I have paid like $150 for per license, is now infested with ads, tracking and online presence - and close to impossible to buy without that. They aren't even trying to put a $ figure on what they think it's worth - because they can't be stopped from doing it. There is no implied agreement, it's exactly as stated.

Or my $1600 LG OLED which takes screen captures by default and sends them to ad tracking cloud servers.

I'd be sandboxing that shit real quick.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by fl0wenol »

runnerup wrote: post #611
fl0wenol wrote: post #472

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's exactly what you do. Find a guide on buying LTSC through a Microsoft partner. It's expensive but you can effectively install it many times. https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2167558-explicit-inst...

This is honestly wonderful news. $300 is entirely reasonable for a "clean", full-featured windows OS! I'm on version 21H1 -- is this offered with the 2019 LTSC license? Or stuck with version 1909? I'm not sure that really matters for me personally - but sometimes it's confusing how this all works compared to the consumer editions. By confusing I just really just mean they don't seem offer this information upfront.

You'll have to reinstall anyway, since you can't "uninstall" the Store and stuff, it needs to not be there to begin with. LTSC ISOs are downloadable from MS. Its very similar to Server 2019.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by Godel_unicode »

piaste wrote: post #549
yibg wrote: post #487

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I mean, yea it is. My mother is not going to set up a RSS feed for herself of a list of forums that interest her. She does know how to log on to Facebook and look at the feed.

With decent RSS support at the browser level, the experience isn't meaningfully different. - See interesting page -> click the Facebook follow button to get it added to your FB feed - See interesting page -> click the RSS button to get it added to your RSS feed

You're wrong. That exact thing existed before, and that's not what happened.
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