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Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by hexciple »

opportune wrote: post #368
jandrese wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit's new UI is still hilariously terrible. The day they remove old.reddit.com is the day I stop using the site. Who the hell thinks what I want when I click on an article is to bring it into a related article feed with 1.5 comments showing? If I accidentally click outside of the article area the whole thing vanishes with no way to get back where I was. I had thought these issues would be obvious and they would cl…

Someone posted on HN within the last week that Reddit hired some product managers who pushed a lot of these dark patterns/anti-user features to increase conversions towards account signups and app installs. Nobody thinks you actually like all that broken shit. Though I fail to understand the business reason for hosting/serving videos through a custom media player. Reddit doesn’t want you to lurk without an account or…

They're already breaking old.reddit.com. The image gallery viewing UI is hilariously bad on old, and recently I've had a lot of post links having the wrong href (usually to the page you're on or the same as the Next link at the bottom of the screen).

Oddly enough, the video player on old still works way better than the one on new.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by Ntrails »

noduerme wrote: post #548
entropyie wrote: post #540

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Blaming Ryanair for getting hijacked? That is harsh. Personally, besides the dark patterns during booking, I find little functional difference between Ryanair and the likes of Aer lingus when traveling . The difference being air travel is highly regulated, as should be surveillance marketing.

Ryan Air makes their seats out of recycled portapotties. The owner repeatedly lobbied for standing room in the back, coin slots on the toilets, and to remove the requirement for seatbelts since "if it goes down, they're all dead anyway." The one time I flew Aer Lingus (in coach, NYC to Dublin via Shannon) I had a fantastic breakfast that still ranks as one of my favorite airplane meals. Sure it cost hundreds of dolla…

> remove the requirement for seatbelts since "if it goes down, they're all dead anyway."

I mean, he's got a point here. Surely if we actually wanted plane passengers to survive crashes they'd have something more substantial than lap belts? I'd have thought, as a simple laymen, facing the seats backwards would make any impact far more survivable than crouching in the insane way that the "safety pamphlet" suggests?

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by wildmanx »

ryandrake wrote: post #183
jandrese wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit's new UI is still hilariously terrible. The day they remove old.reddit.com is the day I stop using the site. Who the hell thinks what I want when I click on an article is to bring it into a related article feed with 1.5 comments showing? If I accidentally click outside of the article area the whole thing vanishes with no way to get back where I was. I had thought these issues would be obvious and they would cl…

It's gotten to the point where if I saw "Software Engineer - Reddit" on a candidate's resume, I would seriously question this person's chops, even if it's just one small signal in an otherwise great background. How did this site's quality to get so poor? Why couldn't you do anything about it? It's so bad that you have to believe it was deliberately made bad.

And maybe that poor soul agrees with you and that's why they left? Cause management wanted X and they opposed X?

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by noduerme »

Ntrails wrote: post #552
noduerme wrote: post #548

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ryan Air makes their seats out of recycled portapotties. The owner repeatedly lobbied for standing room in the back, coin slots on the toilets, and to remove the requirement for seatbelts since "if it goes down, they're all dead anyway." The one time I flew Aer Lingus (in coach, NYC to Dublin via Shannon) I had a fantastic breakfast that still ranks as one of my favorite airplane meals. Sure it cost hundreds of dolla…

> remove the requirement for seatbelts since "if it goes down, they're all dead anyway." I mean, he's got a point here. Surely if we actually wanted plane passengers to survive crashes they'd have something more substantial than lap belts? I'd have thought, as a simple laymen, facing the seats backwards would make any impact far more survivable than crouching in the insane way that the "safety pamphlet" suggests?

I mean, no one's said he was technically wrong about the crash situation. Although lap belts do occasionally stop people from fracturing their skulls on the ceiling of the plane or flying into the passenger beside them.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/travel/ryanair-ceo-seat-bel...

I just want my corporate overlords to at least pretend not to have a wanton disregard for human life. Is that so much to ask?

[edit] on the other hand, the best thing for the Spanish about having a standing section on Ryan Air flights would be the passengers would get their brawling out of the way before they make it to the pub.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by ygra »

l33t2328 wrote: post #497
XorNot wrote: post #428

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So how does this explain why Windows 10, which I have paid like $150 for per license, is now infested with ads, tracking and online presence - and close to impossible to buy without that. They aren't even trying to put a $ figure on what they think it's worth - because they can't be stopped from doing it. There is no implied agreement, it's exactly as stated.

What part of windows is infested with ads?

Most of those are manageable or can be disabled, but it can become annoying:

- Start Menu showing suggested apps (the infamous Candy Crush)

- Task bar shown weather and news

- Lock screen sometimes showing ads

- Sometimes, with updates, new things are installed that auto-launch and prompt you to, e.g., buy an Office subscription.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by nvarsj »

XorNot wrote: post #428
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #57

"Wow, fuck you. I just wanted to look at cats." "Well, fuck you, too. We're here to sell ads." It's not about dark patterns, that's just a second-order effect. It was never about dark patterns. This is the implied agreement. You understand it, or you don't. And if you don't, I guess you haven't been on the web in the past decade or something. What? You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical i…

So how does this explain why Windows 10, which I have paid like $150 for per license, is now infested with ads, tracking and online presence - and close to impossible to buy without that. They aren't even trying to put a $ figure on what they think it's worth - because they can't be stopped from doing it. There is no implied agreement, it's exactly as stated.

Or my $1600 LG OLED which takes screen captures by default and sends them to ad tracking cloud servers.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by danvayn »

jandrese wrote: post #350
scrooched_moose wrote: post #330

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I'm still shocked Craigslist has survived, virtually unchanged, since 1996. It's may not be the cleanest interface, but it's a nice reminder of the more utilitarian days.

IMHO Craigslist is a good example of a design that nailed it right from the start and avoided the temptation to redesign year after year. Choose a region, choose the category, enter your search and bam, there are your listings. It's all bookmarkable too. What a great website.

You're not wrong but they could really afford to improve the user experience without 'ruining the design'. Unless something's changed from what I remember

- the categories page is cluttered.

- results page is messy and annoying to parse.

- the site only supports plaintext posts and has an annoying POSTing funnel.

I haven't looked but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a QoL extension made to cover all the holes left by the 'nailed design'. It's good but not great, as no web design lasts forever.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by entropyie »

noduerme wrote: post #548
entropyie wrote: post #540

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blaming Ryanair for getting hijacked? That is harsh. Personally, besides the dark patterns during booking, I find little functional difference between Ryanair and the likes of Aer lingus when traveling . The difference being air travel is highly regulated, as should be surveillance marketing.

Ryan Air makes their seats out of recycled portapotties. The owner repeatedly lobbied for standing room in the back, coin slots on the toilets, and to remove the requirement for seatbelts since "if it goes down, they're all dead anyway." The one time I flew Aer Lingus (in coach, NYC to Dublin via Shannon) I had a fantastic breakfast that still ranks as one of my favorite airplane meals. Sure it cost hundreds of dolla…

I am no cheerleader for Ryanair... But most of your arguments don't really hold.

1. What's wrong with recycled seats? If you live in a city you are drinking recycled water.

2. Comparing a trans-atlantic flight to a short-haul one (which all Ryanair flights are) is not correct. Short-haul Aer Lingus is not discernably different to Ryanair.

3. Michael O'Leary is the king of free publicity. The fact that you heard about his "coin operated toilet" plan says it all. No-one ever seriously entertained standing room on airplanes etc...

And none of this has any bearing on the recent hijacking. I've flown many times with Ryanair and otherairlines, with small kids in tow, and there is little difference, because most of the hassle is down to security theatre at the airports.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by taurath »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #57

"Wow, fuck you. I just wanted to look at cats." "Well, fuck you, too. We're here to sell ads." It's not about dark patterns, that's just a second-order effect. It was never about dark patterns. This is the implied agreement. You understand it, or you don't. And if you don't, I guess you haven't been on the web in the past decade or something. What? You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical i…

Nah sorry. The reason companies that own social media don’t offer ad and tracker free versions is because then they’d have to say to their userbase what they’ll remove, and thereby what’s in the regular product. Their business model depends upon the ignorance of their userbase of what they’re doing, and they’re holding their network as hostage for those who don’t wish to participate.

Unfederated and (forced) open systems is the only way out of this.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by aembleton »

_trampeltier wrote: post #502
XorNot wrote: post #428

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So how does this explain why Windows 10, which I have paid like $150 for per license, is now infested with ads, tracking and online presence - and close to impossible to buy without that. They aren't even trying to put a $ figure on what they think it's worth - because they can't be stopped from doing it. There is no implied agreement, it's exactly as stated.

What I don't undestand, even Win 10 Pro has XBox and candys all over the place .. serious in a pro version?!? With the terrible EULA it all felt just like a joke to me and I deleted all my Windows installations and I'm Linux only now at home. I'm not using Linux because it is free. I have 4 unused Win10 Pro licenses at home now. But I just can't say yes to the EULA. So I dumped them all. In the late 90s I also bought…

> I have 4 unused Win10 Pro licenses at home now.

Why don't you sell them?

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