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Post by manigandham »

cgrealy wrote: post #532
manigandham wrote: post #366

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"Only in the US" is only what matters when discussing US politics. Who cares what a news channel is considered in some other country? And yes, all the news channels are equally terrible. This is not at all hard to find, but it may be hard to accept.

> “Only in the US" is only what matters when discussing US politics. And only in the US would someone be so insular as to make such a statement :) The US is still the largest economy in the world. As much as the rest of us would love to turn a blind eye when they elect an incompetent sociopath, unfortunately, we have to deal with his bullshit.

We're not discussing foreign policy but domestic politics and media as they are within the US. How the rest of the world judges them isn't relevant, and would be the same as someone in the US talking about how things are going in Zimbabwe as they look to us here.

The rest of the world is not a single monolithic group either so I don't see the point of your sweeping generalizations.

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Post by runawaybottle »

h_anna_h wrote: post #591
runawaybottle wrote: post #500

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Just so everyone knows, this is the type of stuff that aired of Foxnews days before the riot: https://youtu.be/oV97eEFJ4xI A rallying call like that simply doesn’t work on Democrats, but god does it work on Republicans. I just don’t see any of this dying down at all, and the Republicans are always prepared to tap into this demo around election time (in two years time at the mid terms). They live for this. Banning the…

The video has been removed.

Not surprised, if you YouTube/google ‘life liberty levin’, he is having to walk back all the stuff he’s being spewing pre-riots.

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Post by pmiller2 »

j8hn wrote: post #609
pmiller2 wrote: post #590

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Okay, well, see ya then. None of those are attacks on you in any way. I'd advise you to grow a thicker skin if you want to participate on the internet.

I totally get what you're saying. I'm just pointing out that there are community guidelines here to create civil discourse that is not present on other internet forums. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Yes, which I have followed, thank you.

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Post by perl4ever »

jacobolus wrote: post #604
perl4ever wrote: post #599

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That's an answer to a question I didn't ask though, because it was obvious. Is sedition illegal? Should it be? When did the consensus arise, if it did? The historical laws against sedition are not generally presented in a good light, in school, from what I can tell. I'm not questioning whether the attack on the Capitol was problematic, but why sedition is the go-to term. I feel like there's an echo of the awkward ter…

Sedition and treason are two different but related concepts/offenses. Sedition is plotting to overthrow the government or encouraging other people to do so. Treason is waging war against the country or helping a war-time enemy. Both can be federal crimes. And a seditious conspiracy can potentially lead to an act of treason if the plot is undertaken. Here is the law against seditious conspiracy https://www.law.cornell…

That says "seditious conspiracy", not "sedition". I'm not saying it's wrong to call that "sedition" by extension, if you like, I'm just confused because I didn't get the memo on how the word is being used now.

All my life, "sedition" has meant, as far as I knew, criticism of the government, possibly false criticism. Nor did I know of laws against it since around a hundred years ago or more.

Here is something saying sedition is:

"The federal crime of advocating insurrection against the government through speeches and publications."

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/sedition

Here is a part of the law that sounds like it's outlawing sedition even though it doesn't actually include the word: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385

The significance, ultimately, is I'm suspicious that someone is pushing this term because they want to turn around and outlaw criticizing the government and say Democrats asked for it. Or, even if nobody has that plan yet, that using the term carelessly could invite it.

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Post by [deleted] »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #602
bryan0 wrote: post #13

The headline has important context: “YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel hours after Rudy Giuliani appeared on an episode and blamed the Capitol siege on Democrats” At some point the lies need to stop.

Google should really ban Breitbart News from collecting ad revenue... The cost of producing lies is way lower than producing real journalism.

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Post by nobodyandproud »

runawaybottle wrote: post #598
nobodyandproud wrote: post #571

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Do you have any evidence that this madness can’t happen to “our side?

I don’t have any evidence, I have conclusions on behavioral patterns. The Democrats lack physical presence. It’s been an ongoing issue for us for a very long time. We had extreme issues with getting our youth vote out, getting our minority votes out. It literally took a black President to get that demo to show up, and for some reason they stopped showing up right after he was gone (for Hilary). The kids don’t turn ou…

Young people in general have not been a reliable demographic.

Also a quick google search showed that 75% of the Tea Party were 45 or older (back in 2012).

My take is that there’s a desperation behind the last 20 years or so.

Haven’t you wondered what would cause an entire segment of the population to take a deep dive with thinly-disguised racists and Russian trolls?

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Post by mlang23 »

res0nat0r wrote: post #506
berneezy3 wrote: post #408

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The looting and rioting after the George Floyd incident (as a separate event from the peaceful protests) were not limited to commercial districts. Across multiple cities, government buildings and police stations were vandalized/looted. In an extreme case, in Portland, the federal courthouse was set on fire. Also, the post-George-Floyd looting/rioting persisted for far more than a day. An example is the CHOP zone in S…

> over what period of time did the violence persist, According to BLM the violence against them has persisted since the founding of the country. Rioting against being systemically killed for generations and destroying property because nothing else you do changes the system is absolutely fundamentally different than storming Congress because your cult leader and GOP officials have lied to you, you're dumb enough to be…

I disagree. I used to be left-leaning for at least 20 years. But this sort of argument from the left, simply claiming "our cause is the better cause" has opened my eyes. I can no longer support the left, because of their bigottery.

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Post by sudosysgen »

0xB31B1B wrote: post #600
berneezy3 wrote: post #533

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First off, thank you for providing your sources. I wasn't aware of Giuliani's speech before you posted. Now, on to your points. > But I find it fallacious in the extreme to equate reducing a police budget with insurrection. It's not just the reduction of the NYC police budget that I am referring to as insurrection. It's the post-George-Floyd rioting, and the extreme comments made by certain leaders of these movements…

There is a categorical difference between looting your local big box store and attempting to overturn the results of a national democratic election through violence. Did you see the videos of the crowds shouting “hang mike pence” at the capital? The elected democratic mayors of the cities begged the crowds and the police to deescalate violence, and they sent help when called. The elected president of the US escalated…

An important distinction I've also noticed is that the burning down and looting done in riots this summer was an act of spontaneoud anger and rage, not a planned event in order to create fear.

No one was planning the looting of a store three weeks in advance, and this is a really large difference being a riot representing the (unproductive) language of the unheard, and an insurrectionist plot.

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mlang23 wrote: post #617
res0nat0r wrote: post #506

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> over what period of time did the violence persist, According to BLM the violence against them has persisted since the founding of the country. Rioting against being systemically killed for generations and destroying property because nothing else you do changes the system is absolutely fundamentally different than storming Congress because your cult leader and GOP officials have lied to you, you're dumb enough to be…

I disagree. I used to be left-leaning for at least 20 years. But this sort of argument from the left, simply claiming "our cause is the better cause" has opened my eyes. I can no longer support the left, because of their bigottery.

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Post by thrwawy12345 »

phkahler wrote: post #238
maroonblazer wrote: post #217

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False equivalence. Looting commercial districts (while objectionable) is not the same as falsely claiming a federal election was stolen and looting the Capital.

OK. The dems ran around for 3 years claiming the Russians somehow handed Trump the 2016 election.

Amazed to see this being downvoted. We really do live in multiple realities in this country.
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