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Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Post by squidfish »

blahblahblogger wrote: post #503
chrisseaton wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We're looking at people with kinda average engineering skills, poor understanding of the American culture, no connections, and grim determination to grind their way out of their old life. I don't think these are the kind of people getting an H1B visa, though. It's usually the super-talented people they hire on H1B.

I work at a Bay Area tech company with a lot of H1Bs. I consider myself to be an average coder, no formal education, and yet it behooves me why I'm sitting next to Stanford and Harvard grads at work doing the same grunt-work coding that I'm doing. Not anything original, not anything H1B worthy, just building front-end UIs and basic BE stuff. There's of course H1Bs working on the more complex things too like machine l…

"behooves" That word, I don't think it means what you think it means.

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Post by afterburner »

koboll wrote: post #449
sedatk wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a high school graduate and a self-taught developer. I got hired by Microsoft as a software engineer to the Microsoft Windows Core OS team based on my skills with an H-1B. I made Microsoft millions of dollars with my work. I’m now writing a book on software development published by Manning Books. None of that would have happened if such a criteria existed. That policy doesn’t make any sense at all.

It makes sense insofar as it's designed to reduce the odds of successfully obtaining an H1B. Remember, this was shepherded by Stephen Miller and others in the administration whose explicit aim is reducing immigration by every lever available.

Thank you.

People thinking this is some kind of "good move" need to try to remember what administration they're talking about. If you don't understand the play, it's not because you're not being played.

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Post by lazyasciiart »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #505
jedberg wrote: post #74

I agree 100% with you. My view is even more extreme, I think we should allow anyone who passes a criminal background check to be able to get a work visa, with no quotas. But barring that pipe dream, this seems like a good interim step.

One interesting issue is that there are around 700,000,000 people interested in immigrating to the U.S. Would be fun to build super cities at a rapid pace over the next decade though :)

I don't know if there would still be 350,000,000 interested after the first 350,000,000 arrive. Interesting to think about how that number would change based on America's changes.

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Post by 0xy »

koboll wrote: post #449
sedatk wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a high school graduate and a self-taught developer. I got hired by Microsoft as a software engineer to the Microsoft Windows Core OS team based on my skills with an H-1B. I made Microsoft millions of dollars with my work. I’m now writing a book on software development published by Manning Books. None of that would have happened if such a criteria existed. That policy doesn’t make any sense at all.

It makes sense insofar as it's designed to reduce the odds of successfully obtaining an H1B. Remember, this was shepherded by Stephen Miller and others in the administration whose explicit aim is reducing immigration by every lever available.

H1Bs aren't really immigrants, in fact the visa explicitly forbids permanent residency.

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Post by nullspace »

tequila_shot wrote: post #555
madars wrote: post #440

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There are two unpublished rules. DHS rule that you mention ( https://www.federalregister.gov/public-inspection/2020-22347... ; goes in effect in 60 days) and DOL rule establishing the percentiles ( https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/ETA/oflc/pdfs/DOL-Int... ; goes in effect this week).

> and DOL rule establishing the percentiles ( https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/ETA/oflc/pdfs/DOL-Int ... ; goes in effect this week Not true. I know this was "withdrawn" yesterday.(see my comment below).

Do you have a source for this? And what do you mean by “withdrawn”?

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Post by tequila_shot »

nullspace wrote: post #616
tequila_shot wrote: post #555

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and DOL rule establishing the percentiles ( https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/ETA/oflc/pdfs/DOL-Int ... ; goes in effect this week Not true. I know this was "withdrawn" yesterday.(see my comment below).

Do you have a source for this? And what do you mean by “withdrawn”?

https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eoDetails?rrid=131148

https://redbus2us.com/h1b-perm-wage-levels-rule/

You can co-relate the RIN numbers(1205-AC00) in the PDF referenced above and this rule. Just a lot of FUD in the comment and WSJ article. I'd hope they do better research than what I did in 30 mins.

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Post by breitling »

mdorazio wrote: post #452
cactus2093 wrote: post #142

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Genuine question, what type of fraudulent abuse are you referring to? I see this vaguely mentioned a lot without much to back it up, but I'm open to the idea that it happens. From my own anecdotal experience, I'll admit I have found the rules to be a little ridiculous. Company needs to post a sign in the office advertising the role to any Americans, wait a certain amount of time, and only then can offer it to an H1-B…

Another semi-fraudulent practice I've seen too often: find an H1B worker for a position you want to fill at a sub-US labor rate, then write a very specific job posting that perfectly fits that one H1B worker and no one else, and post the job only on the company website where no one will find it. Congratulations, you've just "proven" that you can't find an American worker to do this job, so you bring the H1B worker ov…

This is happening so much in Canada right now

It's horrible. Govt is not even remotely interested in fixing this

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Post by [deleted] »

nrmitchi wrote: post #33

I'll give you that, but it seems like a much simpler solution would have just been improving the flexibility for an H1B worker to be allowed to work at any employer for the term of their status. If an employer used an H1B in order to hire a foreign worker and then under pay them, the worker would just get another job that pays market rate, without the work status concern. Without the artificial control over the emplo…

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