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Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Investigation

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Post by jonlucc »

dependenttypes wrote: post #460
jonlucc wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait. If someone consents to sex with a condom, then the condom is tampered with, that violates the consent. If I, a man, agree to have sex with a woman after we both agree to use a condom, but I find out that she knowingly punctured the condom, I didn't consent to that.

Sure, and it should be illegal (especially if she knows that she has a sexually transmitted disease), but it is far from rape. If you consent to have sex with a woman as long as she promises to not cheat on you and she breaks that promise, is that rape? I would claim that it is not.

Why not? It not being rape is based on having consent. If the consent was not there, it is rape. Also, if she was sleeping, they couldn't discuss consent vis a vis the condom.

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Post by isostatic »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #562
isostatic wrote: post #556

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They denied this. Why would liberal Sweden tarnish their reputation? What makes Sweden more likely to extradite him than the UK?

I didn't say the UK wouldn't, I believe both countries would turn him over rather quickly to the USA to get some diplomatic points. They don't care what happens to Assange because he is a citizen of neither one.

So why the whole charade of extraditing him from the UK to Sweden, to then begin the "to US" process, when the "to US" process could have simply started in the UK?

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Post by isostatic »

Miner49er wrote: post #244
mariorossi666 wrote: post #217

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> I'm not talking about Sweden. The charges in Sweden never mattered besides being a way for him to be extradited to the U.S. Citation needed. The fact that Swedes are being honest here, doesn't prove anything.

He always maintained he didn't face the charges in Sweden for fear of being extradited to the U.S. For sexual assault he'd likely already be getting out of prison in Sweden, or at least be very close. Extradition to the U.S. has always been the real threat to him. The fact that he's facing extradition now proves it was a valid concern. Even if the Swedes were honestly just trying to get him for sexual assault, he was…

> he was still gonna face U.S. extradition

Which would have been no different to the UK

Lets take the conspiracy theory at face value

1) Assange in UK 2) Sweden tried to extradite him (via an EAW) relating to charges in Sweden 3) Assange goes to Sweden 4) The charges are dropped, but instead the US extradites him from Sweden to the US

1) Assange in UK 2) Sweden tried to extradite him (via an EAW) relating to charges in Sweden 3) Assange goes to Sweden 4) The charges are actually real, he goes to trial, gets off, then the US extradites him from Sweden to the US

1) Assange in UK 2) Sweden tried to extradite him (via an EAW) relating to charges in Sweden 3) Assange goes to Sweden 4) The charges are actually real, he goes to trial, goes to jail, then the US extradites him from Sweden to the US after his sentence

1) Assange in UK 2) Sweden tried to extradite him (via an EAW) relating to charges in Sweden 3) Assange doesn't goes to Sweden 4) The US extradites him from UK to the US

Why is Scenario 4 any different to scenarios 1, 2, 3?

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Post by dwoozle »

lostmyoldone wrote: post #597
dwoozle wrote: post #462

You mean it was just a pretext to exfiltrate him to the US, and that Sweden does not in fact have a long national track record of pursuing rapists across international boundaries without prejudice, using the full arsenal of state power?

I don't know if it was only a pretext, probably not only, but Sweden certainly doesn't have a track record of either pursuing rape suspects using the full arsenal of state powers, or of publicly announcing rape allegations as was done in this case. The accusations might very well be true, but the Swedish prosecutions actions and statements has baffled me from day one. His legal representation acted quite strange too.…

It’s obvious that the rape charges were a highly selective enforcement action. It would be great if Sweden pursued every rapist as though they were Osama Bin Laden but the fact is they only pursued one.

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Post by nemo »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #534
nemo wrote: post #298

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His treatment in Sweden if he'd complied rather than fleeing justice in the UK would likely have been far better. His dissembling about extradition and all of his actions suggest he was guilty of the rapes and hiding from justice.

Yeah but Sweden is a US ally and was just going to turn around and extradite him to the USA after they were done with him. I don't think you've been following the story closely enough. This is what he said for like the past decade. He know that Federal prison will probably end up with him beaten to death, shanked to death, or in solitary confinement for the rest of his life.

"Sweden is a US ally and was just going to turn around and extradite him to the USA"

Sweden's actual extradition agreement is much more limited than Assange claimed. The UK's is much friendlier to the UK, so if he was honestly worried about extradition his behavior was strange and is more plausibly explained by him trying to cover up his rape. His account was mostly false and deeply misleading about what Sweden did and did not extradite for, which would make sense if it was just a pretext. I believe he tried to dodge real and credible charges in Sweden, and all of his behavior, esp the narcissistic levels of dishonesty point to a rapist who was caught and got trapped by their lies.

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Post by cannabis_sam »

DubiousPusher wrote: post #340
ckastner wrote: post #318

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You quote: > “Mr. Assange has been deliberately exposed, for a period of several years, to progressively severe forms of cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, the cumulative effects of which can only be described as psychological torture.“ That quote lacked information on who was exposing him and what that exposure actually was, so I followed your source. That source elaborates as follows: > “In the co…

If she finds his treatment report worthy she should visit almost any county jail in America and write a report. I'm seriously not being flippant. If people genuinely find this kind of treatment disturbing and inhumane then they should know it is befalling daily many of their over 2 million incarcerated American brothers and sisters.

The US ”justice” system has replaced justice with vengeance and punishment with suffering..

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Post by kaybe »

docdeek wrote: post #221
kaybe wrote: post #209

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There are no border officers checking people in almost all of the border crossings. If you look white (=> probably not an illegal immigrant) being checked is extremly unlikely even with manned borders. He might want to wear a shawl or similar, but I don't think there will be a problem unless he is deliberately tracked and intercepted.

It’s been awhile since I caught a ferry to or from the UK but the trains to and from the continent have passport controls both sides and everyone is checked. I suspect his name would raise an alarm bell when the passport is scanned, though I really don’t remember what happened on the ferry.

Ah, that may be. I was referring more to the Schengen zone itself. Sorry, it's late.

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Post by BookmarkSaver »

geofft wrote: post #72
jaimex2 wrote: post #50

Title should really be 'US takes hand out of Swedish puppet now that its free to extradite Assange' The take away here is stay anonymous when whistle blowing or handling leaks. Don't talk to anyone, don't say anything just take a USB stick to an Internet cafe while disguised and host a torrent. Then email the press the magnet link using a throw away email service.

Er, Assange himself was the press, here. Chelsea Manning was the anonymous whistleblower who tried to keep her identity safe until Adrian Lamo (may God have mercy on his soul, because I sure won't) reported her to US authorities.

>Chelsea Manning was the anonymous whistleblower

Manning was a spiteful security leak, not a whistleblower.

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