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Re: Android Oreo

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Post by thaumasiotes »

tomkarlo wrote: post #603
thaumasiotes wrote: post #476

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I bought a series of Nexus phones. The Nexus 5 no longer works. The Nexus 4 still works, but its battery is puffing out. The Nexus S has no hardware problems at all, but it's too underpowered to run modern software. The model "phone vendors nefariously build products with short lifespans, regardless of what people want to buy, so that they can sell more hardware" has trouble explaining why the longest-lived phones ar…

This doesn't make any sense. It assumes there's no competition between manufacturers, and that users don't switch. If older phones were actually "better", manufacturers would just make those and steal customers from anyone making the newer devices. The phones of today aren't "built with shorter lifespans in mind", but they are built with more tightly packed components, more energy-dense batteries (to support their po…

Did you mean to respond to me? It seems like we agree, but this is basically how I would have responded to throwaway613834.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by thaumasiotes »

ranit wrote: post #516
thaumasiotes wrote: post #476

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I bought a series of Nexus phones. The Nexus 5 no longer works. The Nexus 4 still works, but its battery is puffing out. The Nexus S has no hardware problems at all, but it's too underpowered to run modern software. The model "phone vendors nefariously build products with short lifespans, regardless of what people want to buy, so that they can sell more hardware" has trouble explaining why the longest-lived phones ar…

> It's the same reason animals age and die. With the difference that younger (newer) animals are better built. :-)

What difference?

The Nexus S appears to be immortal. That means that when young, it was terrible (by modern standards), and now that it's old, it's still terrible, but no worse.

The Nexus 5 is mortal. When young, it is good. When old, it is even worse than an old Nexus S. Just like an animal, it's strong in youth and decrepit in age.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by plopz »

nfriedly wrote: post #305
chipperyman573 wrote: post #293

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The only reason I root my phone any more is for an adblocker. Which the iPhone conveniently has built in... It will probably be my next phone.

Yea, I use Firefox + uBlock Origin on Android, which doesn't require root, so I'm covered there either way. (Annoyingly, the regular Firefox on iOS doesn't yet support adblocking, but I think that will be changing soon.)

Browsers on iOS are just wrappers around safari. Apple doesn't allow 3rd party browser engines. So you will never see feature parity on iOS.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by nfriedly »

plopz wrote: post #613
nfriedly wrote: post #305

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Yea, I use Firefox + uBlock Origin on Android, which doesn't require root, so I'm covered there either way. (Annoyingly, the regular Firefox on iOS doesn't yet support adblocking, but I think that will be changing soon.)

Browsers on iOS are just wrappers around safari. Apple doesn't allow 3rd party browser engines. So you will never see feature parity on iOS.

Yea, I know; and to make matters worse, there's no way to apply Safari content blockers to other browsers on iOS.

But, Firefox Focus has a built-in adblocking and I believe that feature will come to regular iOS Firefox sometime soon.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by onedr0p »

batiudrami wrote: post #489
0x00000000 wrote: post #69

Android has really been annoying me lately. Maybe I didn't care before but now that I can't root my phone I am forced to deal with it. Still can't disable or customize to stupid "share" menu that puts you one click away from accidentally sending something to a stranger you contacted once on sms or facebook messenger or email. Still can't revoke certain permissions from apps (like vibration). There is zero reason why…

Try this app[1] for customising your share menu. Lets you remove a lot of the cruft that clogs up your share menu too. [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andmadesof...

Last Updated: January 21, 2013

Pretty much abandon-ware.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by iamnothere »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #395
selectodude wrote: post #179

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I’m fine with receiving years and years of security updates. I paid for the features I got. Anything new is a bonus. But an up to date secure OS is non-negotiable.

If it's non-negotiable for you, you have a choice: Google phones or Apple phones. Everything else is out, unless you want to try your luck with stuff like LineageOS and hope that they support your device for whatever timeframe you consider reasonable.

There's also Copperhead OS. (You pay quite a bit for the privilege of security though.)

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by exadeci »

dcow wrote: post #281
mjevans wrote: post #274

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I'd like to do that, but when I 'exit' an app and/or swipe it off of the list of program cards I want it to ACTUALLY exit (at least within 30 seconds).

What if that app is say and open source messenger app that doesn't use GCM/FCM. For that to work you need to maintain a connection with a remote service. You don't need the UI hogging memory the whole time but you definitely want messages to come in immediately. IMO the system should offer a way to completely kill and app but "killing the UI" should not stop critical services utilized by the app. Okay so maybe you co…

You just don't know much about android dev it seems.

When an app gets put in the background it gets an event from the OS it's then the devs job to not keep everything loaded in the background but most don't.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by batiudrami »

onedr0p wrote: post #615
batiudrami wrote: post #489

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Try this app[1] for customising your share menu. Lets you remove a lot of the cruft that clogs up your share menu too. [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andmadesof...

Last Updated: January 21, 2013 Pretty much abandon-ware.

It still works though (and looks nicer than in the screenshots). No need for an update if it already works as described.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by cbsmith »

ndesaulniers wrote: post #429
pjmlp wrote: post #426

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Actually since Google is still allowing customizations, it will hardly change anything.

Actually, this is not an allowed customization.

That'd be a significant change to the Android license. AFAIK no such change has taken place.

Re: Android Oreo

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Post by dingo_bat »

yread wrote: post #582
dingo_bat wrote: post #376

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Yup this has been the case since KitKat.

That's great it works for you. I have to stare at "Could not connect to server", wifi icon with a cross and a notification asking me to sign in to some telco's hotspot. Only thing that gets me back online is switching the wifi off

Do you have this enabled? http://imgur.com/a/LAjDL
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