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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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How about George Zimmerman, a Hispanic, who shot Trayvon Martin, a Black. CNN called him "white": " rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/12/cnn-white-hispanic_... . So did the New York Times: " rel="nofollow">http://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-demotes-george-zimmerman-from-... .

"Hispanics or Latinos can be of any race, any ancestry, any ethnicity." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic

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The current dominant themes in certain feminism & diversity cliques in our community are openly hostile towards me. I'm a male. I'm white. I'm middle class. I'm heterosexual. I'm also a leader. I'm a parent of two daughters. My mother had to fight sexism issues in her career. I am supportive of inclusion & diversity. I am trying to raise my girls to be empowered, confident & curious. But the dominant themes in curren…

I don't understand how people can seriously claim that these are "current dominant themes". I studied at UC Berkeley, one of the liberal capitals of California. Most of my friends are Berkeley students. Most of my friends are feminists.

There's practically no hostility (as you put it) towards white, heterosexual males in these circles. I have never been personally attacked or felt uncomfortable. Most of the discussion is aimed at systemic issues, not individuals. It's been pretty eye-opening, actually.

Based on my experience, I'm fairly certain that stories involving militant feminist/diversity people have been vastly overblown by places like Reddit.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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I would expect more from a tech company that is supposed to be by programmers for programmers. Programmers are abstract thinkers, and it's disgusting to see them lower themselves and adopt the semantics and memes of obvious cultural constructs like race. What does it even mean to be "white"? Who exactly are they talking about and what is it about this group of people that is so bad? There's no need to bring in this g…

France takes this stance on matters of race. So much so any numbers regarding race in France are simply estimates because there are no official numbers. In practice so far, it hasn't fared any better, but probably not worse either. Like in the U.S., one of the biggest hindrances or obstacles to success is segregation (forced or by choice). Wanting success essentially entails assuming the culture and practices of the…

Do you look non-Asian? If you do, you will never be fully accepted in Chinese society, as I've heard from a few white people that have lived in China. Even if you marry and settle down there and raise kids.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Christ, the wonderful platform for learning, sharing, and doing that is GitHub is potentially under threat and the majority of discussion here is consumed with questions and accusations of racism?! Of course white privilege exists. Next. Onto real shit like how do we not lose yet another bastion of web awesomeness.

It seems that people disagree with how obvious the existence of white privilege is. I don't think 600 comments would get posted over something obvious.

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> We need to start learning how to simply NOT THINK about race, and NOT MENTION IT. There is simply no excuse at all to mention it. So when Neil deGrasse Tyson talks about his experience constantly being treated as a shoplifter solely based on his race [1], there's "simply no excuse at all"? I'd counter there's simply no excuse at all to attempt silencing necessary discussion about ongoing mass injustice. [1] http://…

Well, there are those claims of unwarranted scrutiny and his assumptions that they were race-based... and then there are his bogus claims about what was said about him in the media and before Congress, which have been documented. http://thefederalist.com/2014/09/15/did-neil-degrasse-tyson-...

You realize you just cited a hit piece that happens to say global warming is not a problem.

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As a white middle-aged male, Tumblr is the only place I've experienced what it is like to be on the receiving end of racism. It's quite fascinating to see just how vile some of it gets. Of course it is only fascinating to me because I can trivially withdraw from it and not be particularly affected.

It's not always fun and games: I'm Assyrian (a middle eastern, ethnically Christian ethnicity). When the first news reports of ISIS ethnically cleansing Assyrians in areas under their control came out, prominent members of social justice tumblr started joking about it being 'karma' because white-passing Christian-ish people were on the receiving end of genocide.

Very progressive indeed. These kinds of expressions show their veil is thin and their agenda nefarious.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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I would expect more from a tech company that is supposed to be by programmers for programmers. Programmers are abstract thinkers, and it's disgusting to see them lower themselves and adopt the semantics and memes of obvious cultural constructs like race. What does it even mean to be "white"? Who exactly are they talking about and what is it about this group of people that is so bad? There's no need to bring in this g…

The race aspect is basically a footnote in the article regarding the exodus (the complaints largely center around a change in leadership and the company's hierarchical structure).

Yet a comment about the race aspects is the top comment here.

Your complaints have already been addressed many many times in academic literature and popular media. But I have to say, there is something amazing about reading someone comment that we should not be talking about race. I guess the current alternative, where we don't talk about it, but people both consciously and subconsciously continue discriminating by race seems far more palatable to you.

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> they are saying there is no excuse to treat Neil deGrasse Tyson as a shoplifter because of his race If that's really what he's saying, then that's even dumber. You can change how you think. You can help to change the thinking of the people you come in contact with. You can't change anyone you've never met, particularly the people who treated Tyson as a shoplifter. I'd love it if racism were to just disappear too. B…

> I'd love it if racism were to just disappear too. But wanting it to happen doesn't make it happen. The point being made here is that making the system even more racist is going to make the problem even worse. It's bad to assume Neal DeGrasse Tyson is a shoplifter because of the color of his skin. It's also bad (it may or may not be worse , but it is in no way good) to assume a person will discriminate against other…

The problem is proc0's comment is saying that any discussions of racism are racist and should be shut down. This is clearly wrong, because not talking about something does not make it go away.

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Not talking or thinking about race, or any other marginalization category, does absolutely nothing to help. "Privilege is invisible to those who have it". I humbly suggest you watch this TED presentation, https://www.ted.com/talks/michael_kimmel_why_gender_equality... Granted it's primarily about gender equality, but it does an excellent job also addressing race, ethnicity, etc.

Well, first, this talk is mostly about gender, which is completely different than race. If you think about what race really is, it's not what it seems (unlike sex and gender, which have not only a more consistent historical difference, and a stronger biological one as well). Race is more cultural than anything else. Sure it starts with physical traits, but whether or not you're black, white, or asian, does not depend…

And if somebody self identifies as trans-racial.

All jokes aside, some white people grow up dirt poor in predominantly black neighborhoods and identify more with black Anerican culture then their own skin color.

Do they get better access to schools, scholarships, government jobs, funding for small businesses? Etc...

What about the black kid who grew up in the suburbs with a stable family and all whote friends. Should their access to the same programs be cut because they're less likely to need it.

Categorization will never go away as long as people are incentivized to promote their identity as a 'protected class'.

It has gotten to the point where everybody except white males falls under one or more protected classes.

I'm not claiming inequality is an issue that should continue to be addressed. I'm creating government mandated classes of people based on their race/ethnicity and throwing money at the problem isn't the solution. It replaces implicit descriminatiom with explicit descrimination.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Discrimination is fairness. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

What a total non sequitur. You haven't showed that rotw is saying "meritocracy is discrimination." You've merely insinuated that by saying this total cliche.
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