Discrimination is fairness. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.
GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart
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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart
#512Christ, the wonderful platform for learning, sharing, and doing that is GitHub is potentially under threat and the majority of discussion here is consumed with questions and accusations of racism?! Of course white privilege exists. Next. Onto real shit like how do we not lose yet another bastion of web awesomeness.
It's embarrassing that you don't think this is something worth having a discussion about. You're basically suggesting we abandon critical thought. There's clearly more to this than white privilege.
Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart
#513Earlier quoted context omitted.
Looks like they trade "structure based purely on meritocracy" by "promote diversity". I don't see how this can go well. Meritocracy is important among dev and open source. And they don't care about political diversity. I can only imagine this new "culture of fear" where you can't hire white people (even woman). Skills and experiences should be the only way to choose who you hire, not race or gender. Anyway, looks lik…
> Meritocracy Meritocracy is a lie. Look how broken interview processes are - definitely not meritocratic. Meritocracy is a rationalisation for "I hire people I like so long as they don't say anything idiotic during the interview". You'd get better results from having some kind of bar that candidates have to meet and then just selecting one at random and giving that person the job.
You're wrong. People don't hire people like that.
I hire developer where I work, I hired white, non-white and women, and every time I make my choice by testing their skills and asking about their past experiences because that's how you get the most competent employees. And every tech company want best employees...
Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart
#514Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who said anything about equality? When the discussion is about "social impact", the conversation is about diversity . Diversity != equality. In the view of many, equality isn't enough, because the "un-oppressed" are fundamentally privileged. The concept of "reverse racism" is there to deflect the inevitable awkward questions that arise, when clearly biased statements are made and practices get institutionalized. IMO,…
I don't understand what you're arguing. Equal opportunity will lead to diversity. Equality is about removing processes that look at privilege (e.g. your rich father donated X dollars so welcome to our college). If your idea of fairness requires we become systematically biased against certain majorities (white, heterosexual, male, cis-gender) for your cause then I don't want to be part of your cause, and moreover I fi…
> If your idea of fairness requires we become systematically biased against certain majorities (white, heterosexual, male, cis-gender) for your cause then I don't want to be part of your cause, and moreover I find that cause discriminitory and dangerous.
Exactly. As mentioned earlier, in the case of Github the cultural transition appears to be from prioritizing meritocracy to codified diversity for the sake of diversity.
Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart
#515Discrimination is fairness. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.
Being considerate of other people is Stalinism, is that what you're saying?
Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart
#516I would expect more from a tech company that is supposed to be by programmers for programmers. Programmers are abstract thinkers, and it's disgusting to see them lower themselves and adopt the semantics and memes of obvious cultural constructs like race. What does it even mean to be "white"? Who exactly are they talking about and what is it about this group of people that is so bad? There's no need to bring in this g…
> We need to start learning how to simply NOT THINK about race, and NOT MENTION IT. There is simply no excuse at all to mention it. So when Neil deGrasse Tyson talks about his experience constantly being treated as a shoplifter solely based on his race [1], there's "simply no excuse at all"? I'd counter there's simply no excuse at all to attempt silencing necessary discussion about ongoing mass injustice. [1] http://…
You misinterpret proc0's comment: they are saying there is no excuse to treat Neil deGrasse Tyson as a shoplifter because of his race, that there is no excuse to ever decide that all people of a certain race or any category are all something or share something (in their comment "assholes" in yours "shoplifting").
Basically racism (using this definition: [1]) is never OK, regardless to which race and with which attributes.
[1] https://www.google.ca/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=define+racism&gw...
Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart
#517Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a department at a company. You're not allowed to say that 'people of ethnicity X will never be given a leadership position'. That's blatant racism.
I'd argue the point is "don't stomp in and make it all about you".
No, the point is "this isn't a place where the white folk will lead".
"the white folk"? That's pretty close to "you people"/"those people".
Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart
#518Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a department at a company. You're not allowed to say that 'people of ethnicity X will never be given a leadership position'. That's blatant racism.
It's not just any department, but a department that specifically deals with diversity and race issues.
Doesn't get it a free pass under discrimination law.
How stupid can you be to post a "no white leadership", in writing?
Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart
#519Wasnt github already involved in a scandal with a female employee who quit and came out a few years back?
Yes. Here's some information: http://www.businessinsider.com/github-harassment-story-2014-...
More, supposedly from insiders: https://medium.com/@geeekcore1/facts-conveniently-withheld-d...
Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart
#520Just wow. I'm thinking about pulling my personal Jekyll site hosted off GitHub pages and host somewhere else. Not sure about the alternatives though, with custom domain support. Ah well, a nice weekend task.