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Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by rpdillon »

customguy wrote: post #527
rpdillon wrote: post #373

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What conversation are you trying to have? I don't even use Codeberg; I've spent years thinking about how the idea behind rules manifests when those rules are actually put in place and enforced. I think a lot about second and third order effects. That's my interest here: an org decided to put these particular rules in place, and based on my experience, I don't think it's going to age well. But I guess you're right, as…

No, I need to apologise, I kinda got confused in the threads. That is, I thought this was downstream from another comment I made on the topic, where my point was basically: you (not the literal you who is interested in this on a different level) know if you used LLM. So if you have to ask, the answer is probably no, and if you're genuinely unsure, you can ask them. I did you wrong, and in general we shouldn't guess t…

Thanks for the reply! There's an interesting topic here with respect to fuzzy rules. I definitely like them sometimes because they can capture values and allow for human judgment (which is more costly, but usually better than hard-and-fast rules). I think works well on HN because dang and tomhow tirelessly patrol and enforce, and they both have superb judgment - they aren't just randos that got to moderate the subreddit, they are quite literally the backbone of what I think is the best social site that's ever existed. Lots of human effort there.

Codeberg is different. It's a non-profit, so my criticism is mostly around all the heat and light that will be generated when they start banning projects (politically), and the amount of human effort that it will take to assess whether a project is "majority" written by AI. I just think the way the rule is written is fraught with issues that will cause a lot of wasted effort in the coming months and years.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by znpy »

thyristan wrote: post #209
znpy wrote: post #83

I mostly stay away from community-lead stuff (and services in particular) mostly because of this. It’s a never ending drama, and every quarter there’s something new to hate on or get offended by. I’m tired, boss.

As opposed to business-lead stuff where their credit card company, VC or possible future owner says that you are an undesirable customer and need to get bent?

Nah, i mostly self host my stuff and if i need anything public I’ll go with providers that don’t nag me with their ideology of the month

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by gumpu »

skinfaxi wrote: post #536
inigyou wrote: post #420

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If a carpenter uses a table saw, is he still a carpenter? What if he just throws wood randomly at the table saw and tries to sell whatever pieces come out? (Never do this with a table saw, btw. They can, and will if you don't use proper procedures, throw wood sideways at speeds that can punch through walls and impale people)

This analogy doesn't make much sense to me. Is the table saw analogous to LLMs because they both work with the appropriate substrate (wood/text)? I don't see how an LLM is like a table saw at all. Is a musician less of a musician if they use a pre-recorded back-beat and sing on top? Are you not a musician if you use the chord mode on a keyboard? Is code not hand-written if my editor automatically closes all of my htm…

What if I barely know the rules of chess and I use a chess computer to play all my games for me; I win the world title this way. Am I a chess Grant Master?

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by bayindirh »

mcv wrote: post #81
bayindirh wrote: post #6

For a more informed discussion about what's banned and what's not, I'm leaving here this discussion on Mastodon: https://tldr.nettime.org/@tante/116962454004862117 TL;DR: AI assisted coding, when used responsibly, is not banned, however one-shotting something via vibe-coding and hosting it as a complete project, is. Also, Codeberg always had a limit on private repositories and never wanted to be a place for non-FLOSS…

That starting message is not encouraging: > so many people who have made "coding with an LLM" their whole personality As opposed to "coding without an LLM" being their whole personality? Neither of these are what a personality is. Comments like thesen are needlessly dismissive and not conducive to a healthy discussion. Codeberg has every right to set their own standards, but the discussion around it is ugly and dismi…

I'll kindly disagree with you here. After you posted this reply, I have received an email, whose subject reads: "AI writes code in seconds, but here's what it's missing".

The mail, coming from Atlassian, is encouraging people to let swarms of agents loose to "develop" something from a simple prompt, and suggesting Jira can act as a context store with all the new features they implemented.

So, people are expected to make "coding with an LLM" their personality or modus operandi, unfortunately.

I agree that the discourse can be gentler, kinder and have a more open stance, yet Mastodon has this 500 character limit which causes statements to go blunt. I experience the same problem while trying to post there.

However, this doesn't invalidate Codeberg's stance. There's a slop problem everywhere, and people want to stop or slow it down. I'm in the same camp with Codeberg, and don't want vibe-coded applications pushed as man-made creations.

Also, to reiterate, Codeberg doesn't hardline the policy. They effectively ban vibe-coded projects, and if that matters, this is why I like them, and why I like some other services I use.

To close, yes, people are irritated by AI powered vibe-coding and respond too harshly, but I can understand them. Maybe we should understand why the "ugly" response exists before shunning them, so we can arrive to a more constructive place.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by bayindirh »

ctoth wrote: post #57
bayindirh wrote: post #6

For a more informed discussion about what's banned and what's not, I'm leaving here this discussion on Mastodon: https://tldr.nettime.org/@tante/116962454004862117 TL;DR: AI assisted coding, when used responsibly, is not banned, however one-shotting something via vibe-coding and hosting it as a complete project, is. Also, Codeberg always had a limit on private repositories and never wanted to be a place for non-FLOSS…

> TL;DR: AI assisted coding, when used responsibly, is not banned, however one-shotting something via vibe-coding and hosting it as a complete project, is. On Tuesday I was working on my Braille 'N Speak emulator[0], an ancient Z180-based accessible notetaker for the blind. I wanted a z180 emulation library that wasn't z180-emu (GPL) and that I could use on the web via wasm, on my phone, and would have a Python bindi…

Nope, personally this enters full vibe-coding territory for me, and I won't approach this code with a 30 feet pole isolated in a container running in a VM.

Sorry, but seriously.

If it works (and we constantly see LLMs cheat to pass tests), and helps someone, more power to you and them, but no, this is what vibe-coding squarely is, and what Codeberg explicitly excludes.

I see two big problems with that codebase: - No human, incl. you can modify this meaningfully. - The AI wrote it won't be able to touch it again, too.

So it's write-once software, and this is the biggest problem with vibe-coded software.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by account42 »

hedora wrote: post #377
m4rtink wrote: post #364

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The whole Fedora infrastructure shows the default cute Anubis character (while protecting said infrastructure from AI scrappers) & I don't see any problems with that. :)

Is there a bypass for those yet? Not all of the machines I have run it at a reasonable pace, so I'd like to just farm the challenge to some other machine. My nice desktop that I use for C++/Rust/Formal Verification takes multiple minutes sometimes, and I'd rather not replace the motherboard over this, or figure out why it's not using the GPU/whatever. OTOH, I have a MacBook with Apple's terrible window manager. It bl…

Just set your user agent to wget.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by allarm »

ragall wrote: post #602
allarm wrote: post #591

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There's a thing called reputation. It has nothing to do with prejudice.

What you call "reputation" is just your prejudice.

That's just your bullshit. Reputation exists and words have meanings, regardless of your opinion on that.

Re: I regret migrating to Codeberg

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Post by pocksuppet »

pirates wrote: post #581
pocksuppet wrote: post #32

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Why would you mask AI code and place it on Codeberg instead of some other place where it won't be deleted on sight? The only reason you would do that is to attack Codeberg.

To test the limits of the very policy we’re discussing?

In other words, to attack Codeberg
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