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Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by [deleted] »

nunobrito wrote: post #463
karel-3d wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a different, unrelated company. You don't trust it because of a shared logo? The mobile motorola is a fully Chinese company that just shares the brand because of history. It's nonsense to not trust it because a different company does NSA stuff. This is a basically unrelated Chinese company!

Very different. Oh so different. That argument worked suprisingly well with boomers. Those with access to the internet in the last 20 years will find absolutely zero difference when a company changes ownership on the surface while retaining the previous business links.

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Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by reddalo »

neya wrote: post #216
BatteryMountain wrote: post #108

If anyone from Motorola reads this thread; the market is beyond ripe for a good shake up. Going full open source and pushing updates & openness, user control and freedom, you will gobble up a good chunk of market share. Make MDM easy & first class (no third parties...), and a ton of corp will roll it out too. We need you more than you think.

This is just developer fantasy. The average consumer doesn't care even one bit. Is the phone smooth? Does it have a good camera? Does it have a good battery? Does it last more than 2 years? Go to some developing countries around Asia and you'll be surprised how people prioritise features when buying a phone vs developed ones. The developing countries account for most of the sales of most phone manufacturers. Phones t…

I've been buying Google Pixel for almost 10 years now, and Nexus phones before that, and my current Pixel is the last Google phone I'll buy.

The ecosystem is closed, Google is speed-running to 100% evil, they're locking down APK installations, etc.

I need to find a replacement, and with me a lot of tech friends and non-techies that just ask me for advice.

The market is waiting for someone to step in; this is a golden chance for Motorola.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by pants2 »

saidinesh5 wrote: post #599
neya wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just developer fantasy. The average consumer doesn't care even one bit. Is the phone smooth? Does it have a good camera? Does it have a good battery? Does it last more than 2 years? Go to some developing countries around Asia and you'll be surprised how people prioritise features when buying a phone vs developed ones. The developing countries account for most of the sales of most phone manufacturers. Phones t…

It might be developer fantasy but half of the giants in the mobile market really did take off this way: * xiaomi with their miui skin/custom ROM - "bringing iOS like polish to Android" back then * oneplus with their initial devices with cyanogenmod - clean aosp interface without any bloat and lots of features. In fact, when my brother was buying phones for my mom (neither of them were really that technically inclined…

Indeed - I remember MKBHD praising the initial OnePlus thanks to that approach. Today he's got 20M subscribers. If Motorola gets big tech reviewers on their side it's a big market.

Not to mention the more techy people in a family unit often make recommendations. I told my dad to buy a Nexus phone for that same reason which he still has, of course it's 10y old now so I'll probably have him upgrade to a Motorola.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by eikenberry »

Zak wrote: post #502
QuiEgo wrote: post #471

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This reminds me of when people say “I can’t believe developers use VS Code, real developers use vim/emacs” It’s a tool, a means to an end. I just want my tool to be easy to use and work. Another analogy would be cars: do you tune and modify, or do you want a transportation appliance? There is no wrong answer. Maybe your hobby is tinkering with your tools. If that’s you, more power to you. I want a phone, editor, and…

That's gatekeeping/snobbery. VSCode won't tell you you're not allowed to install extensions that aren't blessed by Microsoft. If it started doing that, most people could trivially switch to Codium.

VSCodium does tell you your not allowed to install some extensions that are blessed by MS. (I.E. it's open core and switching might not be trivial if you rely on any of the proprietary extensions.)

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by varenc »

neya wrote: post #216
BatteryMountain wrote: post #108

If anyone from Motorola reads this thread; the market is beyond ripe for a good shake up. Going full open source and pushing updates & openness, user control and freedom, you will gobble up a good chunk of market share. Make MDM easy & first class (no third parties...), and a ton of corp will roll it out too. We need you more than you think.

This is just developer fantasy. The average consumer doesn't care even one bit. Is the phone smooth? Does it have a good camera? Does it have a good battery? Does it last more than 2 years? Go to some developing countries around Asia and you'll be surprised how people prioritise features when buying a phone vs developed ones. The developing countries account for most of the sales of most phone manufacturers. Phones t…

I generally agree with the sentiment about the average consumer, but the commenter above called out MDM specifically, as in, corporate Mobile Device Management (MDM).

I definitely see how large security conscious companies could be quite interested in a good GrapheneOS phone since it would alleviate fears about their corporate data getting leaked to Google, and really allow them to secure the phone in all the ways they want. So the market wouldn't just be niche privacy conscious consumer, but companies buying these phones for employees.

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Post by dleslie »

neya wrote: post #216
BatteryMountain wrote: post #108

If anyone from Motorola reads this thread; the market is beyond ripe for a good shake up. Going full open source and pushing updates & openness, user control and freedom, you will gobble up a good chunk of market share. Make MDM easy & first class (no third parties...), and a ton of corp will roll it out too. We need you more than you think.

This is just developer fantasy. The average consumer doesn't care even one bit. Is the phone smooth? Does it have a good camera? Does it have a good battery? Does it last more than 2 years? Go to some developing countries around Asia and you'll be surprised how people prioritise features when buying a phone vs developed ones. The developing countries account for most of the sales of most phone manufacturers. Phones t…

When side-loading and adblock stops being available then the average consumer will flip a table. Most folks I know with Android devices have them running with adblockers and such; and their Android TV devices are _loaded_ with pirate streaming software.

Because here in Canada you can buy devices preloaded with such things for a pittance over MSRP.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by velocity3230 »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #75

Hopefully wireless payment do work on these, and they have face unlock working. That's really the 2 issues I have with grapheneos. I know it's supposed to be for privacy nerd, and they will tell you you shouldn't use Google pay because it's bad for privacy and so on... But it's not the majority of people, most are willing to trade some privacy for convenience.

I have NFC payments on GrapheneOS.

The problem isn't the OS, it's the payment providers not providing support.

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Post by cptskippy »

daneel_w wrote: post #572
SockThief wrote: post #84

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That is not what I experience on ThinkPhone. I get monthly security updates for about two years now. Maybe it is an exception? I'm in EU if that matters. And Motorola is almost free of bloatware. It is practically a stock Android.

> And Motorola is almost free of bloatware. It is practically a stock Android. My girlfriend had one of the Moto Play models from 2020 and it was horrific. Is their Android setup really any better these days?

I think it's highly dependent on the product line. My previous two phones were the Moto One which had very minimal bloat or customization.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by RGamma »

OneDeuxTriSeiGo wrote: post #580
neya wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just developer fantasy. The average consumer doesn't care even one bit. Is the phone smooth? Does it have a good camera? Does it have a good battery? Does it last more than 2 years? Go to some developing countries around Asia and you'll be surprised how people prioritise features when buying a phone vs developed ones. The developing countries account for most of the sales of most phone manufacturers. Phones t…

The average consumer may not care but there's multiple overlapping segments that Motorola can capitalise on here: - tech consumers (i.e. the current GOS pixel market) - family members of tech consumers. i.e. tech consumers can hopefully now recommend stock grapheneOS on motorola to family members since it's not a custom ROM but just a stock device with official manufacturer support. - privacy/security conscious non-t…

Don't underestimate tech-savy users' influence either. I could easily add 7+ people to the user base next replacement cycle.
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