I still dont understand the hype for any of this claw stuff
My life is wayyy too basic and simple to need any sort of always available digital agent like these!
Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
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#602I guess it's relieving to know that us developers will never get good at naming things!
Don't worry, Microsoft will eventually name theirs something worse, probably pre-prepended with 'Viva'
... actually, no - they'll just call it Copilot to cause maximum confusion with all the other things called Copilot
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#603I wonder how the internet would have been different if claws had existed beforehand. I keep thinking something simpler like Gopher (an early 90's web protocol) might have been sufficient / optimal, with little need to evolve into HTML or REST since the agents might be better able to navigate step-by-step menus and questionnaires, rather than RPCs meant to support GUIs and apps, especially for LLMs with smaller contex…
This is the future we need to make happen. I would love to subscribe to / pay for service that are just APIs. Then have my agent organize them how I want. Imagine youtube, gmail, hacker news, chase bank, whatsapp, the electric company all being just apis. You can interact how you want. The agent can display the content the way you choose. Incumbent companies will fight tooth and nail to avoid this future. Because it'…
What is in it _for them_?
Where and how do they make money?
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#604Earlier quoted context omitted.
The creator was hired by OpenAI after coincidentally deciding codex was superior to all other harnesses not long before. It’s mostly marketing. Still an interesting idea but it’s not really novel or difficult. Well, doing it securely would actually be incredibly impressive and worth big $$$.
The creator has an estimated net worth of $50 million to $200 million prior to Open AI hiring him. If you listen to any interviews with him, doesn't really seem like the type of person who's driven by money and I get the impression that no matter what OpenAI is paying him, his life will remain pretty much unchanged (from a financial perspective at least). He also still talks very fondly about Claude Code and openly a…
You're telling me that a person that's greedy enough to have a net worth of several tens of millions doesn't care about money?
Pull the other one, it's got bells on.
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#605I'd be kind of shocked if this didn't trigger the most harmful worm of all time eventually.
AI is set to do that on its own given containment + alignment problems.
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#606The current hype around agentic workflows completely glosses over the fundamental security flaw in their architecture: unconstrained execution boundaries. Tools that eagerly load context and grant monolithic LLMs unrestricted shell access are trivial to compromise via indirect prompt injection. If an agent is curling untrusted data while holding access to sensitive data or already has sensitive data loaded into its c…
Information Flow Control is highly idealistic unless there are global protocol changes across any sort of integration channel to deem trusted vs untrusted.
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#607All: quite a few comments in this thread (and another one we merged hither - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47099160 ) have contained personal attacks. Hopefully most of them are [flagged] and/or [dead] now. On HN, please don't cross into personal attack no matter how strongly you feel about someone or disagree with them. It's destructive of what the site is for, and we moderate and/or ban accounts that do it.…
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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#608People are not understanding that “claw” derives from the original spin on “Claude” when the original tool was called “clawdbot”
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#609Security-wise, having a Claw doesn’t seem so different from having a traditional (human) assistant or working with a consultant. You wouldn’t give them access to your personal email or bank account. You’d set them up with their own email and a limited credit card.
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#610Karpathy has a good ear for naming things. "Claw" captures what the existing terminology missed, these aren't agents with more tools (maybe even the opposite), they're persistent processes with scheduling and inter-agent communication that happen to use LLMs for reasoning.
People are not understanding that “claw” derives from the original spin on “Claude” when the original tool was called “clawdbot”