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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by hearsathought »

noah_buddy wrote: post #426
sepisoad wrote: post #391

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

It’s very strange to go “why isn’t the left doing anything about this conflict when they cared so much about Palestine?” My government doesn’t fund Iran.

> My government doesn’t fund Iran.

And iran doesn't control the US like israel does. And iran doesn't force censorship on americans like israel does. And iran isn't commiting genocide like israel does. When's the last time iran order the US government to attack peaceful college protestors on american college campuses? Israel has. And the US government obeyed.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by hearsathought »

joenot443 wrote: post #445
noah_buddy wrote: post #426

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It’s very strange to go “why isn’t the left doing anything about this conflict when they cared so much about Palestine?” My government doesn’t fund Iran.

I think when westerners like myself notice the disparity in response amongst western progressives between the Palestinian and Iranian situations, they're talking more from a social lens than the geopolitical one. A lot of my peers have been incredibly active on social media the last couple years supporting Palestinians. They've been mostly completely silent on Iran, the imbalance is notable.

> the Palestinian and Iranian situations

It's simple. One is a genocide. The other is not.

The more "israelis" ( or is it "iranian expat" ) like you try to pretend to be "westerners" and skew the conversation, the more obvious it becomes.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by pstuart »

Ntrails wrote: post #519
noah_buddy wrote: post #469

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Again, what am I supposed to do about it? If one lives in one of most western countries, one’s government has sanctioned Iran to the gills. Even the government can do little more, except engage in war. Compare this to Palestine, where direct action and protest is much more tangibly impactful.

> Again, what am I supposed to do about it? Encourage your government to invade/incite regime change I guess...? I have never been able to work out where the line lies between intervention and colonialism tbh.

Well, they already did that and fucked it up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta...

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by direwolf20 »

hersko wrote: post #533
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #412

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No amount of warning will save children from starving if the access roads and relief convoys are blocked. I'm quite frankly quite appalled at the amount of apologists in this thread. Warning civilians is not an excuse to genocide them.

No war is good, and starting an urban war you are obviously going to lose, and executing it over two years among an incredibly dense population is barbaric. I'm quite frankly quite appalled at the amount of apologists in this thread.

The war has lasted over 70 years.

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Post by suburban_strike »

lukan wrote: post #411
gryzzly wrote: post #396

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Do you see how it refers to Hamas? What should this quote prove? To me it proves that high command gives fighters motivational speeches, nothing else. Also, the measures concluded in the end of the document are about ensuring this was a motivational speech for soldiers that are going to fight Hamas terrorists, not a vague statement.

Do you also believe all people in Gaza are Hamas? If not, I don't see him making that distinction, by stating to block all food from entering Gaza and dropping all restraints for attacking Hamas. I did not had he impression there ever were restraints when dealing with Hamas. So restraints were always for bystanders. Which were dropped.

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by charlescearl »

direwolf20 wrote: post #584
joenot443 wrote: post #445

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I think when westerners like myself notice the disparity in response amongst western progressives between the Palestinian and Iranian situations, they're talking more from a social lens than the geopolitical one. A lot of my peers have been incredibly active on social media the last couple years supporting Palestinians. They've been mostly completely silent on Iran, the imbalance is notable.

I think western leftists complain about Palestine a lot because the west is attacking Palestine and they want their government to stop that. While the situation in Iran is very sad, it also has nothing to do with my government and there would be nothing to be achieved by protesting, unless I think they need even stricter sanctions.

Further, the american government across several administrations imposed sanctions which led to premature death of Iranians, worsening conditions. It instigated the Iran/Iraq war carnage. It also bombed Iran contributing to civilian casualties. Even if it were to stage “regime change” in Iran, give the american government’s track record in Afghanistan and Iraq, the resulting government would likely inflict even more hardship upon the people of Iran. This is why some on “the left” view the united states as the primary contradiction.

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Post by diffs »

_menelaus wrote: post #583
diffs wrote: post #572

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Completely crazy. Not only had the war in Iraq hurt Israeli security, rather than improving it, Israel opposed the war knowing that it would be damaging rather than beneficial. What you have is not "the Israel Theory", what you have is a conspiracy theory.

Netanyahu came before Congress in 2002 to strongly urge the invasion of Iraq. What universe are you living in?

Ariel Sharon was the prime minister of Israel in 2002. Netanyahu was a civilian. You seem to be unable to tell these two very different people apart. I suggest going easy on the green stuff.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by direwolf20 »

gryzzly wrote: post #274
igravious wrote: post #251

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> no matter what your beliefs are - civilians aren't the target in Gaza “By December 2025, the Gaza Health Ministry had reported that at least 70,117 people in Gaza had been killed. The vast majority of the victims were civilians, and around 50% were women and children. Compared to other recent global conflicts, the numbers of known deaths of journalists, humanitarian and health workers, and children are among the hi…

wikipedia has been hijacked to present one-sided view of the conflict https://www.timesofisrael.com/edit-wars-over-israel-spur-rar... https://www.reddit.com/r/Jewish/comments/1pvs1b6/as_a_wikipe... Problem even discussed and acknowledged by Jimmy Wales: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U_aQWaxOTE

Your sources are Times of Israel and r/Jewish?
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