I’ve cut my NYT consumption down to maybe 5 minutes a week, and somehow today it still managed to wreck my headspace. I’m not a historian, but my memory reached into that rarely-used middle school history drawer and pulled up this:
Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning
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#602IANAA: what legal powers does the city/state have to expel ICE agents? Especially as they are operating in, at best , increasingly shady legality. I always understood that the USA is built on a delicate balance of power between the federal and state governments. But here the federal government is sending thugs who, masked or unmasked, are brazenly killing people in bizzare circumstances. And the best the state can do…
> what legal powers does the city/state have to expel ICE agents? What makes you believe ICE is going to follow a judge's orders? They are already routinely violating it when it comes to deporting people. Or, if you want to be even more pessimistic: what makes you believe the current Supreme Court is going to rule based on law, instead of based on political affiliation? The USA's balance of power is horribly broken.…
Does an ICE officer have any more rights than any other random non-ICE murderer? Can the police put them in prison for murdering?
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No, its prosecution for supporting terrorists.
Some guy comes into your restaurant and eats a meal. Pays cash. Leaves. He was ICE. You're now subject to charges from the state of Minnesota? That sounds like maybe not entirely the best idea.
It's not illegal to support someone who's a terrorist if you don't know they're a terrorist.
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Thanks. The link is to a Bellingcat analysis. They did great work on the Renee Good shooting, but in this case, they're describing stills from videos, and I can't see what they're seeing in the photos. The photos are just too fuzzy---at least for me, and I suspect for most other viewers. I don't mean to diminish the importance of the shooting, which is horrific no matter what one makes of the photos.
I think it's factually correct to say that none of the videos give a truly clear view of the order of events (specfically with regards to whether the protestor could possibly have wielded their gun while being restrained by agents, or whether he is disarmed by the gray-jacketed agent, or what caused the agents to fire when they did). It might be clearer if the agents were wearing bodycam videos and that footage was r…
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A civilised country can not be destroyed by one king, nor saved by a new leader. America has checks and balances, and they have failed. There’s no “wait 3 years”, that’s over, as America will always be one election away from anarchy or worse. The only way out is the Republican Party impeaching him and spending the next 10 years undoing the damage at the top and next 40 year rebuilding civil society.
> America has checks and balances, and they have failed. America pretended to have checks and balances. Everyone just turned a blind eye to the massive holes in them and pretended things were going to be fiiiiine.
I believe Canada's prime minister gave an interesting speech about this at Davos.
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For those who can't access the link, this is the United States DHS with the quote > The peace of a nation no longer besieged by the third world. featuring an illustration of an oldsmobile at a tropical sunny beach with the text "America After 100 Million Deportations". The implication is that a white ethnostate will be paradise. Notably, 100M is not the number of non-citizens in the United States, it's roughly the nu…
"This image was stolen and is actually a piece of art by the Japanese artist Hiroshi Nagai. 47 million of the United States’ 340 million population is foreign-born, the majority of those being legal immigrants. To do 100 million deportations they’d have to deport citizens. "
Nothing this administration has done — like when they deported citizens — has convinced me that deporting citizens is off the table.
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I don’t know you but I hope wherever you are you’re safe and have a good idea of what your next steps are going to be. I’m getting increasingly distraught over what’s happening myself. It’s starting to affect my family life and I’m having a lot of trouble coping. Venting on the internet is a way for a lot of people to come to grips with what they’re seeing. I understand. If this is what helps you cope, I won’t stop y…
I don't hate you. I'm frustrated with your mental gymnastics. Because your entire thread here boils down to this
> it just fits a pattern of “administration does something abhorrent, people get mad, social media amplifies the anger, it turns into real world deaths
I need you to pay attention to how you're writing. You are laying the deaths of these people squarely on the left for how they react to abhorrence. And if you're going to blame people on the internet for these deaths, you should provide something concrete.
Please outline what bait you think the left took that caused the death of Renee Nicole Good. Explain what "Hatred" was leading us to this moment. Because her last words were "That's fine dude, I'm not mad at you." We must have a fundamental difference of opinion on cause and effect. Because what I'm seeing is a bunch of untrained goons getting frustrated with people and shooting them in anger, knowing that nobody can stop them, and most people making excuses for it.
The idea that the choice is up to us whether we get brutalized is insulting, and frankly, I've seen it being used to excuse political violence for far too long. The idea that the best thing for us now would be to bury these deaths as 6th page news is frustrating, because as someone actually close to this, I've talked with many victims of ICE, and universally, all of them are more upset with the silence and indifference than they are with ICE themselves.
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#608At the rate things are going, I wonder if America can hold together until the midterm. The Trump regime is acting like it wants a civil war. If anyone told me in 2024 that America may see its own Tiananmen, I'd have laughed, but I'm not so sure now. I can totally see something similar at a smaller scale, and millions of Americans defending it with "it was necessary to keep law and order."
Genuine question: is this not a civil war? If this isn't a civil war, what is the difference between this and a civil war?
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#609At the rate things are going, I wonder if America can hold together until the midterm. The Trump regime is acting like it wants a civil war. If anyone told me in 2024 that America may see its own Tiananmen, I'd have laughed, but I'm not so sure now. I can totally see something similar at a smaller scale, and millions of Americans defending it with "it was necessary to keep law and order."
>The Trump regime is acting like it wants a civil war. it's not out of the question that incitement to invoke insurrection act and then cancel the midterms is the strategy
the guy in charge isn't thinking straight, and he saw that Ukraine had no elections during the war, and he saw that Russia had rigged elections during the war, and I don't know what other countries, but he might think America can skip elections during a war, if he starts enough wars, and he might be right.
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#610Why is the focus on Minneapolis? Is it really the training ground for ICE? Edit: "Minnesota has the largest Somali population in the US, according to NBC. The community has been subject to widespread criticism from Mr Trump, who has called them "garbage"."
Retribution. There are millions of undocumented immigrants in Texas and Florida, but notice aggressive ICE activities primarily in blue states. It is an attempt to demonstrate unchecked force against their political opponents under the guise of immigration enforcement. Self defense (when warranted) is the only remaining option, because a bully will only escalate to see how far they can go. Restraint by aggressors wil…
It’s also to get access to voter rolls.
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