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Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by dekhn »

jbullock35 wrote: post #442
ajross wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://x.com/rgoodlaw/status/2015144869497311275

Thanks. The link is to a Bellingcat analysis. They did great work on the Renee Good shooting, but in this case, they're describing stills from videos, and I can't see what they're seeing in the photos. The photos are just too fuzzy---at least for me, and I suspect for most other viewers. I don't mean to diminish the importance of the shooting, which is horrific no matter what one makes of the photos.

I think it's factually correct to say that none of the videos give a truly clear view of the order of events (specfically with regards to whether the protestor could possibly have wielded their gun while being restrained by agents, or whether he is disarmed by the gray-jacketed agent, or what caused the agents to fire when they did).

It might be clearer if the agents were wearing bodycam videos and that footage was released.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by [deleted] »

zahlman wrote: post #247
duxup wrote: post #109

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ICE has regularly attacked protesters and bystanders who are simply recording, walking away and so on. Even people just driving through their neighborhood have been dragged out of their vehicles and apprehended. Citizen or otherwise doesn’t seem to matter. They aren’t professionals and operate with neither the training, nor the will to obey the law. Much of the time they seem to believe trying to bait folks into an e…

> ICE has regularly attacked protesters and bystanders who are simply recording, walking away and so on. > Even people just driving through their neighborhood have been dragged out of their vehicles and apprehended. Citizen or otherwise doesn’t seem to matter. I have seen many claims of this sort, but every single time there's been video available of the incident, it's become clear to me that nothing of the sort is g…

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by dashundchen »

zahlman wrote: post #247
duxup wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ICE has regularly attacked protesters and bystanders who are simply recording, walking away and so on. Even people just driving through their neighborhood have been dragged out of their vehicles and apprehended. Citizen or otherwise doesn’t seem to matter. They aren’t professionals and operate with neither the training, nor the will to obey the law. Much of the time they seem to believe trying to bait folks into an e…

> ICE has regularly attacked protesters and bystanders who are simply recording, walking away and so on. > Even people just driving through their neighborhood have been dragged out of their vehicles and apprehended. Citizen or otherwise doesn’t seem to matter. I have seen many claims of this sort, but every single time there's been video available of the incident, it's become clear to me that nothing of the sort is g…

Tell me what legal rationale ICE had to detain and kidnap a 5 year old US citizen.

Tell me the legal rationale for ICE abducting an employee from a Target beating him up and dropping him off bruised and covered in blood at Walmart at miles away.

ICE has been turned into a paramilitary political mafia to harass and harm the administrations political opponents and racial outgroups.

They've repeatedly been found in federal court to have violated the constitutional rights of citizens and non-citizens alike but Congress has shown no spine to reign in the executive which has willfully spurned these rulings.

Turn the blind eye to this at your own peril. History has shown that fascism does not stop acting only against people that you disagree with

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by rurp »

ghthor wrote: post #301
dragontamer wrote: post #284

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Hmm... well maybe I need to explain my fear better. Because Pam Bondi/DoJ refuses to prosecute these cases, this will _keep happening_ for the foreseeable future. There's no reason for ICE to stop this behavior. Its not today's crime that scares me most. Its the easily predicted future where this gets worse by next month. The converse is the rise of the far-left. We're already seeing Black Panther patrol with long-gu…

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How about we stop murdering peaceful protesters instead.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by FpUser »

dekhn wrote: post #421
zahlman wrote: post #252

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Direct multiple-paragraph quote: > The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) posted on X further details about what led up to the shooting. "DHS law enforcement officers were conducting a targeted operation in Minneapolis against an illegal alien wanted for violent assault, an individual approached US Border Patrol officers with a 9 mm semi-automatic handgun, seen here," the post reads. > O'Hara said that Pretti was…

The statement you say was O'Hara was made by McLaughlin (DHS employee). If the article implies otherwise, it's incorrect. Here's the facts as I see them: A protestor who had a gun he was legally allowed to carry got involved in an incident with ICE/Border Patrol. The protestor was interacting with the agents and other protestors, at which point BP or ICE pepper sprayed him and took him down to the ground. At least 4…

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by cogman10 »

mothballed wrote: post #167
dragontamer wrote: post #162

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That's already been revealed by Minnesota Police (thank goodness we at least have some degree of independent investigations going on right now). 1. Only had parking tickets on his criminal record. No other criminal activity. 2. Owned a gun with firearms permit. 3. 36 Years Old, male. EDIT: I misremembered. Its apparently 37 year old male. Minnesota Police only have jurisdiction inside of Minnesota however. So those f…

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A citizen, A vet, and a nurse at the VA.

None of that should really matter here. He didn't have his gun when he was shot the first time. He wasn't moving after the first shot and the 5 shots later were completely unnecessary and dangerous to the general public.

This sort of hair splitting is gross. Even if he illegally possessed the gun, the execution wasn't justified. He was not brandishing and nobody was in danger because of his possession of the gun.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by mvdtnz »

filoeleven wrote: post #414
zahlman wrote: post #262

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> They disarmed him and then they shot him. So you're saying you can show me a video where it's clear that the gun is in an LEO's physical possession, everyone involved clearly has time to update on this information, and someone makes an evidently conscious decision to shoot him anyway, despite him clearly no longer posing a physical threat? Really? Because otherwise, it is not about punishment.

https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qlvpbr/footage_of_the...

It couldn't be any clearer, that is the weapon from the photos of the victim's gun. This changed my mind, the man was shot AFTER he was disarmed.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by nikkwong »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #413
HPMOR wrote: post #358

Why is this being hidden off of the main HN pages? There are clearly enough points for it to be significantly up weighted. I don’t understand the censorship.

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I understand why HN doesn't want to devolve into a political forum—but at it's spirit, HN is supposed to cover topics that "...are of interest to those working in the tech community". The upvotes on a thread like this demonstrates that these are topics that are indeed of interest—so I wish that there was more of an appetite to allow these discussions to play out. Maybe having a limit on the number of posts per day or per week that could make it to the frontpage could give everyone a bit more of what they want.

Personally, the political threads on HN are the ones in which I learn the most by and large. There simply isn't another community on the web that elicits such thought provoking discussion around these types of issues—reddit doesn't even come close. I hope the policy will change in the future; especially during these tumultuous times, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by zahlman »

dashundchen wrote: post #453
zahlman wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ICE has regularly attacked protesters and bystanders who are simply recording, walking away and so on. > Even people just driving through their neighborhood have been dragged out of their vehicles and apprehended. Citizen or otherwise doesn’t seem to matter. I have seen many claims of this sort, but every single time there's been video available of the incident, it's become clear to me that nothing of the sort is g…

Tell me what legal rationale ICE had to detain and kidnap a 5 year old US citizen. Tell me the legal rationale for ICE abducting an employee from a Target beating him up and dropping him off bruised and covered in blood at Walmart at miles away. ICE has been turned into a paramilitary political mafia to harass and harm the administrations political opponents and racial outgroups. They've repeatedly been found in fede…

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Post by rurp »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #359
dragontamer wrote: post #63

Sounds like ICE's official word right now is that the guy had a gun. But the video clearly indicates that they all tackled him to the ground and were wrestling him maybe 4 vs 1, before they all shot him together. I'm not quite sure how a gun can have come out of this. Maybe the guy while struggling on the ground happened to reach in the direction of someone's gun while getting curbstomped, I dunno. What I'm most worr…

If the Right does end up defending this, I don't see how they are compatible with the USA that I was taught to believe in my whole life.

That ship has sailed so long ago it's beyond the horizon at this point. Of course the right is going to defend this. We know exactly how this will play out. They will respond just like they have to every other assault and murder committed by ICE in the past year.

The top people in govt all the way down will completely lie about the victim and situation, despite plenty of video evidence that shows them as liars. Absolutely nothing will happen to these scumbag murderers, and another murder just like this will happen again soon.

Many people will be horrified but conservatives will continue cheering this on. This is the country we live in now.

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