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Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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how do you live without ublock on your browser though? firefox with adblock is the high quality youtube app

I use Wipr 2. You throw $5 at the dev and you never have ads on any iOS device again.

Wipr 2 is in the running for the best $5 I’ve ever spent in my life.

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I take the opportunity to let people know that there are alternatives to Google/Apple duopoly on mobile. Link: https://www.ubuntu-touch.io/ Sure, GrapheneOS is often suggested but Ubuntu Touch is a really interesting alternative, their own store and ecosystem. The community is amazing and welcoming. If there are Android apps which you can't do without, they can be emulated and used anyway. Imagine switching to Linux…

I was looking into buying one of those: https://www.www3.planetcom.co.uk/ No experience, but if they lock out Android I probably will.

Notice that, per https://www.www3.planetcom.co.uk/devices-specification , the newest OS they ship is Android 11. I owned a Gemini and I liked the hardware, but they don't update software and I consider that a deal breaker.

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That's false. The ones you can get here in Slovenia don't have them. I've personally helped quite a few friends sideload them. I also remember how shocked people were to find out there's no YouTube or Play Store after buying a Huawei or Xiaomi phone when that first came into effect.

Correct, same in Germany. Here is a photo I shot last December in an electronics store. Aurora Store is now official, I guess. https://imgur.com/a/v6zaRYo

I don't think that picture indicates in any way that there are no Google Services on those phones. I've had multiple Chinese phones, and all of them had both their in-house app store (every brand seems to have their own) and also the Google Play Store. And obviously things like Google Play Services and Google Maps are installed too, way too many Android apps wouldn't work without them

This isn't even a China-exclusive strategy, Samsung does the same with their Galaxy Store.

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The old saying goes a fool and their money is soon departed. Why should the rest of us be punished?

>Why should the rest of us be punished? Exactly. I'm sick and tired of all the apps/websites that mandate 2fa. All of that adds friction when I'm a big boy who knows how to choose secure passwords. For that matter, why even invest resources into fraud detection or law enforcement? All of that money is coming out of somewhere, and why should my tax dollars go toward catching fake nigerian princes when it's just helpin…

It is a very long stretch to compare 2FA with restricting sideloading.

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Can we stop calling this "side loading" please.

There is nothing sleazy happening "on the side", I am simply installing an application of my choosing on some hardware that I purchased.

As long as it remains possible (without extra developer verification, etc, etc), a bit of extra friction is probably OK, as is assigning accountability to the person who chose to install an app outside of the "official" store.

But it has to remain possible. Otherwise can someone name any advantage that Android has over iOS?

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I'm with Google on this one. Idiots and old people (the public) use these devices daily. These are the very same people that send money to Nigerian royalty and expect to hear back about a great reward. This is mostly a CYA move with hard data behind it. If they completely removed side load, that would be a different story.

The old saying goes a fool and their money is soon departed. Why should the rest of us be punished?

You are punished one way or the other.

These scammers are parasites on society, they add nothing while draining resources away from honest people.

If you participate in society, that net drag will affect you in subtle ways. Like if you have money invested in something, that thing doesn’t go up in value as much as it would have if x% of society isn’t simply parasitic.

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I'm with Google on this one. Idiots and old people (the public) use these devices daily. These are the very same people that send money to Nigerian royalty and expect to hear back about a great reward. This is mostly a CYA move with hard data behind it. If they completely removed side load, that would be a different story.

My grandmother was tricked into buying cryptocurrency for a scam. All the apps that they used on her Android and iPhone were in the respective app stores. Removing side loading has little to nothing to do with it from my point of view because the app stores are not doing a good job of verifying apps.

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> Apple's core business is trapping users into their walled garden so they can rent seek. Apple’s core business is selling hardware. Their services revenue is not even close to their hardware revenue.

Yes, trapping users into their walled hardware garden so they can rent seek. You buy a phone, and you're forever forced into buying only their peripherals.

That’s demonstrably untrue.

You could say that there are Apple devices that do not work well or don’t work at all without another Apple device, and off the top of my head I would say the only ones are the Watch and the HomePod, but most alternative devices work fine with Apple ones, e.g Chromecast, Garmin watches, Google Home hubs, etc.

And even so, the same could be said about Android only features and devices, e.g. Samsung Watch doesn’t work without an Android phone, Google Earbuds are feature capped on iPhone, etc.

IMO, if we are looking at rent seeking behaviors, Google shoving Gemini down the throats of Google Home users, with no chance of rolling back if they don’t like it, is way worse.

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> Texting in iOS is arguably better or, at the very least Since some updates ago, my keyboard is still broken if I type too fast, and autocorrect been essentially broken for the same amount of time. Must be happening for ~years now, still waiting for a new update to finally fix it. At least on Android you can change the keyboard to something else if you'd like, instead of being stuck with what your OS developer force…

I have been using SwiftKey keyboard on iOS exclusively since 2018 and have had very few issues compared to Android where it regularly crashed

A lot of the apps, not just the banking apps, but food delivery etc, restrict using alternative keyboards, leaving you with a default one, which is especially jarring for a multi-lingual countries where you typically need keyboards for English + language 2 and 3.

I had to give ap on a swiftkey iOS for that reason

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I’m not sure what you are trying to say here. Even if that was true, my point was that an ad driven business like Google, would be incentivized to monetize all the aspects of my life they could have access to. If that’s not what Apple is doing, compared to Google, then that’s a win I guess?

> would be incentivized to monetize all the aspects of my life they could have access to You're literally describing Apple's business model.

That’s false.

Google most profitable business line is ads. They profit from literally knowing everything about you, then selling access to that to ad bidders. Apple makes the most money from devices. It is not the same.

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