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Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by hexbin010 »

varispeed wrote: post #326

GDPR was never about privacy, but to legitimise data trade. It was two step process - first train people to Agree to anything by introducing "harmless" Cookie Law, then once people just click Agree to anything, create legal basis for data trade, where it is no longer a grey area as most users give consent. With Chat Controls coming back, never assume EU is doing anything for the benefit of general public. What is par…

This is kind of my take. I can't believe the outcome where most people just click "agree" to explicitly opt in to tracking was some kind of unforseen mistake.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by sMarsIntruder »

l5870uoo9y wrote: post #312

The fundamental problem in Europe is the perception that companies are inherently ill-intentioned, requiring micro-management through massive bureaucracy. It is a moralising and irresponsible attitude that older people can afford to adopt, but like so many other things, it hits younger generations mercilessly hard.

This is a general approach applied also to the population.

In Europe there is a particular concept of freedom.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by sMarsIntruder »

nalekberov wrote: post #83

EU introduces Chat Control, then scales back GDPR, what's left? Digital ID and digital currency (with no possibility of paying by cash)?

Yes. This is their public roadmap.

The CBDC, the “Digital Euro”, will be nail in the coffin.

In Italy they’re pretty advanced with the Digital ID, for example.

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Post by moi2388 »

user34283 wrote: post #390
eitau_1 wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most baffling thing is that sometimes you can't opt-out from "always active" stuff that still involve hundreds of "partners"; see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45844691

Users can opt-out by not using the service or buying an ad-free version if available. One would think that developers should not be forced to offer for free a version monetized with 60% less effective ads. And I understand currently this is indeed not the case for small developers, they can offer paid ad-free or free but with personalized ads. Large platforms apparently cannot.

That’s not how the GDPR and cookie laws work at all

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Post by adi_kurian »

TylerE wrote: post #598
ttoinou wrote: post #588

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, you do think “useCase.regulation” being a single dial. It’s a pretty reductive framework. I have an easier framework where in 90% of cases current law was already good enough and we don’t need to tweak that dial

The road to hell is paved with “good enough”.

Is the road to nowhere paved with "perfect"?

Perhaps not when it comes to matters like these.

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Post by DavideNL »

lenkite wrote: post #561
rckt wrote: post #270

I get that too many regulations is a bad thing. But when we talk privacy and personal data there should be no gray zone. It has to be black and white. When I see a stupid cookie banner I search for "Reject all". There's no some data that companies can collect and process without my consent, they just shouldn't be able to collect anything without me actively opting in. Business never respects anything, but profits. Se…

That cookie banner needs to be standardized and offered by the browser. It should be like a certificate popup. Why is every website forced into doing a shoddy job ?

Aren’t tracking cookies mostly irrelevant nowadays, because every browser can be uniquely fingerprinted anyway?

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Post by troupo »

jedberg wrote: post #378
troupo wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The amount of time and money we've spent just making sure we are in compliance is quite high, and we barely operate in Europe and don't collect PII. So either you're lying or your lawyers are lying to you. In 9 years you could've finally read and understood the rather small law yourself.

I have read and believe I understand it. That does not matter. What matters is can your decisions be defended in front of a judge. I am not qualified to figure that out, and unless you're a lawyer, neither are you.

Before you get to a judge you will get plenty of warnings and anple time to fix whatever it is you're doing wrong.

For the absolute vast majority of companies GDPR compliance is trivial.

For the absolute vast majority of remaining companies GDPR compliance is simple.

There are a few companies which may have to double-check their legal obligations and legitimate interests (e.g. by law banks must retain data for much longer than GDPR assumes).

I highly doubt that your startup which builds orchestration workflows requires 23 marketing cookies to "display relevant ads across sites" or "7 unclassified cookies" etc. especially since you claim you don't collect much information except the absolutely necessary: https://www.dbos.dev/privacy

No wonder you have "trouble complying with GDPR".

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by consp »

petcat wrote: post #461
Neikius wrote: post #266

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By not tracking and setting any third party cookies. Just using strictly functional cookies is fine, just put a disclaimer somewhere in the footer and explain as those are already allowed and cannot be disabled anyway.

The EU's own government websites are polluted with cookie banners. They couldn't even figure out how to comply with their own laws except to just spam the user with cookie consent forms.

The eu's maybe but for my government i have no banners.
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