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Re: Steam Frame

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Post by fsiefken »

entropicdrifter wrote: post #270
JeremyNT wrote: post #249

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I guess there's a market for this but I'm personally disappointed that they've gone with the "cram a computer into the headset" route. I'd much rather have a simpler, more compact dumb device like the Bigscreen Beyond 2, which in exchange should prove much lighter and more comfortable to wear for long time periods. The bulk and added component cost of the "all in one" PC/headset models is just unnecessary if you alre…

I'm personally quite hyped to see the first commercially available Linux-based standalone VR headset announced. This thing is quite a bit lighter than any of the existing "cram a computer in" solutions.

Strictly speaking the mobile Oculus/Meta Go/Quest headsets were linux/android based, you can run Termux terminal with Fedora/Ubuntu on them and use an Android VNC/X app to run the 2D graphical part. But I share your SteamOS enthousiasm.

Re: Steam Frame

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Post by xmcqdpt2 »

krzyk wrote: post #187
skywal_l wrote: post #174

> Steam Frame Controllers: Powered by AA batteries (rated 40 hours) Yes, I want to see standard batteries being used more. Too bad they didn't go with this on the Steam Controller.

Why? It is a bummer to keep them, buy them when suddently they stop working, etc. While chargeable needs just a usb-c socket.

Check this out

https://addison-electronique.com/en/aaa-li-poly-rechargeable...

Has technology gone too far

Re: Steam Frame

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Post by hn111 »

nottorp wrote: post #547

Stupid links insist on opening in the steam app on mobile. I do have it installed but my login expired years ago and I’m not renewing it. Guess I won’t find out what this is about any time soon…

Opening it in private tabs should help, at least on iOS.

Re: Steam Frame

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Post by contrarian1234 »

bullen wrote: post #579
contrarian1234 wrote: post #511

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from a cursory look . it seems SteamVR is intended to be used with their DRM platform and isn't open source. Maybe its a bit less limiting vs Meta's offering? i wouldnt characterize this as an "open ecosystem" though

The key takeaway is that you will rebuild the drivers less often: 1) The stack is mature now, we know what features can exist. 2) For me it's about having the same stack as on a 3588 SBC, so I don't need to download many GB of Android software just to build/run the game. The distance to getting a open-source driver stack will probably be shorter because of these 2 things, meaning OpenVR/SteamVR being closed is less o…

I'm confused. Why would you develop a game on a SBC (that's not powerful enough to do VR)? Why are you not just cross compiling?

It's possible that you can have a full open source stack some day on these goggles.. but I don't think that's something that's obviously going to happen. SteamVR sounds like their version of GooglePlay Services

Re: Steam Frame

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Post by antonyh »

I have a Quest 2 that I don't care for, so it's caught me somewhat offguard how much I want this. The whole set please. I thought I'd just want the controller, but everything here looks exciting to me.

Re: Steam Frame

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Post by bob1029 »

modeless wrote: post #60

Foveated streaming! That's a great idea. Foveated rendering is complicated to implement with current rendering APIs in a way that actually improves performance, but foveated streaming seems like a much easier win that applies to all content automatically. And the dedicated 6 GHz dongle should do a much better job at streaming than typical wifi routers. > Just like any SteamOS device, install your own apps, open a bro…

> 2160 x 2160 LCD (per eye) 72-144Hz refresh rate

I question that we could not create a special purpose video codec that handles this without trickery. The "per eye" part sounds spooky at first, but how much information is typically different between these frames? The mutual information is probably 90%+ in most VR games.

If we were to enhance something like x264 to encode the 2nd display as a residual of the 1st display, this could become much more feasible from a channel capacity standpoint. Video codecs already employ a lot of tricks to make adjacent frames that are nearly identical occupy negligible space.

This seems very similar (identical?) to the problem of efficiently encoding a 3d movie:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2D_plus_Delta

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiview_Video_Coding

Re: Steam Frame

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Post by Andrex »

refulgentis wrote: post #151
MetaWhirledPeas wrote: post #115

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> Roughly equivalent resolution to Quest 3 and less than Vision Pro. This won't be suitable as a monitor replacement for general desktop use. The real limiting factor is more likely to be having a large headset on your face for an extended period of time, combined with a battery that isn't meant for all-day use. The resolution is fine. We went decades with low resolution monitors. Just zoom in or bring it closer.

Whether or not we used to walk to school uphill both ways, that won't make the resolution fine. To your point, I'd use my Vision Pro plugged in all day if it was half the weight. As it stands, its just too much nonsense when I have an ultrawide. If I were 20 year old me I'd never get a monitor (20 year old me also told his gf iPad 1 would be a good laptop for school, so,)

> (20 year old me also told his gf iPad 1 would be a good laptop for school, so,)

Yikes. How'd that relationship end up? Haha.

Re: Steam Frame

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Post by Andrex »

riskable wrote: post #407
SchemaLoad wrote: post #346

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I'm guessing it's main use case will be VR chat syncing mouths to avatars.

The porn industry disagrees.

If the porn industry likes it, it's bad?

Guess we have to get rid of physical home media.

And the internet.

It was a good run I guess.

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