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OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

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Re: OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

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> is neither fair nor sustainable That's half what I pay in Italy, I'm sure the richest country in the world will do fine.

Here in Belgium a stupid amount of that bill is hidden taxes. i kind of assume it's similar in Italy.

We import most of our energy, that's really it.

Re: OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

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But real GPUs are being built, installed and used. It's not paper money, it's just buying goods and services partly with stock. Which is a very solid and time honored tradition which happens to align incentives very well.

What revenues do these GPUs generate for OpenAI? OpenAI is not currently profitable, and it is unclear if its business model will ever becomes profitable -- let alone profitable enough to justify this investment. Currently, this only works because the markets are willing to lend and let NVIDIA issue stock to cover the costs to manufacture the GPUs. That's where the belief that we are in a bubble comes from.

> OpenAI is not currently profitable, and it is unclear if its business model will ever becomes profitable -- let alone profitable enough to justify this investment.

Well, yes. Which again is how venture capitalism has worked for ... is it decades or centuries? There is always an element of risk. With pretty solidly established ways to handle: expected value, risk mitigation etc.

I haven't lived through the dot com bubble (too young) but i've read about it. The absolutely insane ways they were throwing money at startups were... just insane. The potential of the technology is the same now and then: AI vs Internet. It wasn't the tech that failed the last time, it was the way the money was allocated.

The math is actually quite mathing this time around. Most AI companies have solid revenues and business models. They aren't turning a profit because (like any tech startup) they chose to invest all their revenue plus investments into growth, which in this case is research and training new models. They aren't pivoting every 6 months, aren't burning through cash reserves just to pay salaries, and they've already gone through train/deploy cycles several times each, successfully.

Are they overvalued? shrug that's between them and their investors, and we'll find that out eventually. But this is not a bubble that can burst as easily as last time, because we're all actually using and paying for their products.

Re: OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

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Framing it in gigawatts is very interesting given the controversy about skyrocketing electric prices for residential and small business users as a result of datacenters over the past three years, primarily driven by AI growth. If, as another commenter notes, this 10GW is how much Chicago and NYC use combined , then we need to have a serious discussion about where this power is going to come from given the dismal stat…

I work in the datacenter space. The power consumption of a data center is the "canonical" way to describe their size. Almost every component in a datacenter is upgradeable—in fact, the compute itself only has a lifespan of ~5 years—but the power requirements are basically locked-in. A 200MW data center will always be a 200MW data center, even though the flops it computes will increase. The fact that we use this unit…

Where do the cards go after 5 years? I don't see a large surplus of mid sized cloud providers coming to buy them (cause AI isn't profitable), Maybe other countries (possibly illegally)? Flood the consumer market with cards they can't use? TSMCs' more than doubled packaging and they are planning on doubling again

Re: OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

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> letter of intent for a landmark strategic partnership > intends to invest up to xxx progressively > preferred strategic compute and networking partner > work together to co-optimize their roadmaps > look forward to finalizing the details of this new phase of strategic partnership I don't think I have seen so much meaningless corporate speak and so many outs in a public statement. "Yeah we'll maybe eventually do som…

The "meaning" is clear, create FOMO among suckers.

Re: OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

#605

Framing it in gigawatts is very interesting given the controversy about skyrocketing electric prices for residential and small business users as a result of datacenters over the past three years, primarily driven by AI growth. If, as another commenter notes, this 10GW is how much Chicago and NYC use combined , then we need to have a serious discussion about where this power is going to come from given the dismal stat…

I work in the datacenter space. The power consumption of a data center is the "canonical" way to describe their size. Almost every component in a datacenter is upgradeable—in fact, the compute itself only has a lifespan of ~5 years—but the power requirements are basically locked-in. A 200MW data center will always be a 200MW data center, even though the flops it computes will increase. The fact that we use this unit…

Refining it into what? Stock prices?

Re: OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

#606

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Maybe more like converting energy to data, as a more specific type of refinement.

Using energy to decrease the entropy of data. Or to organize and structure data.

This is OpenAI, they are not decreasing the entropy. This is refining coal into waste heat and CO2.

Re: OpenAI and Nvidia announce partnership to deploy 10GW of Nvidia systems

#607

Framing it in gigawatts is very interesting given the controversy about skyrocketing electric prices for residential and small business users as a result of datacenters over the past three years, primarily driven by AI growth. If, as another commenter notes, this 10GW is how much Chicago and NYC use combined , then we need to have a serious discussion about where this power is going to come from given the dismal stat…

Theoretically couldn't you use all the waste heat from the data center to generate electricity again, making the "actual" consumption of the data center much lower?

Thermodynamics says no. In fact you have to spend energy to remove that heat from the cores.

(Things might be different if you had some sort of SiC process that let you run a GPU at 500C core temperatures, then you could start thinking of meaningful uses for that, but you'd still need a river or sea for the cool side just as you do for nuclear plants)

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> N2 is shaping up to be TSMC's most important node since N7 Is it? N2, from an energy & perf improvement seems on par with any generation node update. N2:N3 N3:N5 N5:N7 Power ~30% ~30% ~30% Perf ~15% ~15% ~15% https://www.tomshardware.com/news/tsmc-reveals-2nm-fabricati...

Yes. It has more tape outs at this stage of development than both N5 or N3. It’s wildly popular for chip designers it seems.

I thought Apple gets exclusive access to the latest node for the first 1-2 years. Is that not the case?
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