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GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by zamalek »

sho_hn wrote: post #226
bee_rider wrote: post #143

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Apple and Microsoft seem very different companies. Apple is stylish and cool by default, with occasional stumbles. Even among tech people, they have good will even though they seem to regard the Open Source community with total ambivalence at best. Microsoft is the Walmart of operating system providers, that happened to buy a popular Git hosting site and briefly made noises that seemed not awful. In terms of coolness…

> Even among tech people, they have good will Wait, do they? I mostly remember: - A neglected desktop OS with slowly deteriorating quality - Aimless products like the Vision Pro that seems to have failed as the "get the devs excited" premium SDK launch everyone described it as - Rocky start issues on Apple Intelligence, nerfed Siri, etc. - Unexciting iPhone launch and lots of ridicule levied on Liquid Glass It's the…

> > Wait, do they?

The echo chamber is still reverberating. People say that MacOS is good because other people have told them so. The people claiming that is better don't have an earnest effort outside of the ecosystem to support their claims. I was forced to use MacOS at work up until a little over 1.5 years ago, I have perspective on both, and it is categorically incompetent. It doesn't hold a candle to dev on Linux.

As for Windows? Windows 7/11 are probably still better than MacOS (as you implied with your comment about neglect), but it's probably as bad or slightly better than Win 11.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by okanat »

alternatex wrote: post #354
marcosdumay wrote: post #311

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Pretty much no, it can't be said for .Net. It currently supports Linux as a running target for servers. It supports both running desktop software and development very badly.

It supports Linux as a running target for console apps, which can be servers, background apps, systemd apps, etc. So everything except UI apps. The development experience with Rider is also great on Linux. I think you need to be more specific with the complaints because I have many beefs with Microsoft's approach to many things, but I could not pick up on what you meant.

You can use Avalonia to develop cross-platform apps with .NET.

GUI stuff from Windows depends deeply on Win32 and how Windows's core APIs work. So expecting Microsoft to port stuff like .Net Windows Forms is meaningless. They are open source though. Maybe with some completion effort Wine can run them.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by jedberg »

pyrale wrote: post #594
jedberg wrote: post #443

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> making cringe hardware that basically noone purchased Their keyboards were arguably the best ones around. I'm literally typing this on a 20 year old MS keyboard right now.

I'll disagree loudly with my IBM keyboards (my old model M as well as the thinkpads I've used).

Sorry, I can't hear you over that racket!

But in reality my favorite keyboard before I switched to the MS keyboards was the one that came with my original IBM PC with the clicky keys. The biggest downside was that my mom and dad always knew when I was on the computer!

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by DeepYogurt »

jatins wrote: post #165
layer8 wrote: post #66

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Some more indication: > “Just like how Bill [Gates] had this idea of Microsoft being a bunch of software developers building a bunch of software, I want our platform, for any enterprise or any organization, to be able to be the thing they turn into their own agent factory,” said Parikh [the CoreAI team lead]. That Bill Gates analogy seems rather far-fetched, though.

Had to read that sentence a couple of times -- what does it even mean? It's possible Verge may have butchered it

No. Jay is an idiot.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by pornel »

mdaniel wrote: post #47
reversengineer wrote: post #17

GitLab is like, really good. No need to put your codebase in the "cloud."

In my experience, the "really good" is that it comes batteries included: - completely docker based CI/CD which makes reasoning about what it's going to do easier than "read through some minified .js from some rando" - they do have composable CI/CD akin to the GitHub Actions marketplace, but I haven't used it as much in anger to speak to how valuable it is versus "competitive checkbox feature" - built-in Terraform Sta…

GitLab doesn't have an equivalent of GitHub actions (except an alpha-quality prototype).

GitHub Actions can share runtime environment, which makes them cheap to compose. GitLab components are separately launched Docker containers, which makes them heavyweight and unsuitable for small things (e.g. a CI component can't install a dependency or set configuration for your build, because your build won't be running there).

The components aren't even actual components. They're just YAML templates concatenated with other YAML that appends lines to a bash script. This means you can't write smart integrations that refer to things like "the output path of the Build component", because there's no such entity. It's just some bash with some env var.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by okanat »

tetha wrote: post #318
ackfoobar wrote: post #262

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> .NET is now cross platform, but only as long as it doesn't hurt VS sales, with GUI workloads, profilers, still being mostly Windows only, and partially supported on VSCode, which also has the same VS license. On HN I keep hearing that associating .NET with Windows is outdated perception. Writing JVM languages I feel that the developer experience is pretty much the same on any OS. It seems this cannot be said for .N…

Mh, I'm not the most experienced guy with .NET. We have a few .NET applications running on the infrastructure on Linux hosts and it's just like every other thing. But in some contexts, e.g. PowerBI, it pulls in a dependency and BOOM it's Windows Only to the point that not even Wine or Proton can help you. For something, that should be, mind you, a dumb SQL proxy like the PowerBI Embedded Gateway.

I think the success of Proton and Wine in games clouds the vision of Linux community. The contributors did great work on them. However the gaming API of Windows is a very limited slice of the vast API.

Games are quite standalone programs they don't depend deeply integrated Win32 stuff. They don't even use standard UI stuff from Win32. With Vulkan, porting DirectX became very viable and that was the grunt work. There are no DCOM servers or OLE stuff in games which is where Windows API actually becomes huge and sometimes nastier. Business apps however deeply depend on those.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by soraminazuki »

yencabulator wrote: post #552
gmueckl wrote: post #439

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Then you surely have a laundry list of examples from the last 10 years where MS showed the same anticompetitive nature that they had in the 90s.

Yes, people keep bringing up VSCode all the time, but fanboys are gonna fanboy.

And Windows, that one obscure product from Microsoft that people here keep forgetting about.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by anglesideangle »

hinkley wrote: post #485
mindcrash wrote: post #107

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Or even better, claim full sovereignty (again) and install Forgejo ( https://forgejo.org/ ) on your own hardware. You'll get the same experience as Codeberg, because Codeberg is in fact running on Forgejo

I have PRs open on five different OSS projects at the moment. My throughput is being limited by trying to remember all the details of PRs I filed 3-6 weeks ago. I thinK I have to admit to myself that as little as I like github having all the projects, I'd be less effective having to track inboxes across half a dozen different hosting platforms. If you made something like Mastodon, where alerts propagate across instan…

The problem with a federation system like mastodon/activitypub is that relying on propagation hurts usability and discoverability. [tangled.sh](https://tangled.sh/) is to federated forgejo what bluesky is to mastodon, where it relies on atproto to have decentralization without sacrificing ux

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by okanat »

martin-t wrote: post #380
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

I couldn't believe the number of people who were saying that "Microsoft are the good guys now" or "Microsoft loves open source now". Microsoft stopped openly attacking open source at a time when open source was clearly winning: - most servers were running linux - most phones and tablets were running android - people were buying tablets instead of desktops - Google was openly promoting open source through GSOC - large…

I think big corporations are not amoral, they are immoral. There is no wealth that has been built obeying morality or showing emphaty. Once them two become obstacles for profits, they will be thrown out.
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