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OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by submeta »

prashantsengar wrote: post #356
submeta wrote: post #105

I went from Emacs to VS Code, then to Cursor, next to Claude Code, which is so good that I feel like I am having half a dozen junior devs at my fingertips, 24/7. Since Claude Code is cli based, I reviewed my cli toolset: Migrated from iTerm2 to Ghostty and Tmux, from Cursor to NeoVim (my God is it good!). Just had a 14h workday with this tooling. It’s so good that I complete the work of weeks and months within days!…

Curious - how did moving from iTerm2 to Ghostty help? I currently use iTerm2 and have never used Claude Code

Ghostty is gpu accelerated. It’s super fast, and tmux in it is a joy to use. That combined with NeoVim gives me an increadibly smooth dev experience in the terminal, something I had never have with iTerm2 and emacs.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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apwell23 wrote: post #598
submeta wrote: post #586

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t review every single line that AI generates. I glance over the files to see if they meet my standards, prompt it to rewrite this or that portion, when necessary. Or change it myself. Writing code is the most tedious part, not reviewing.

oh gotcha. you are a solo dev on the work you are doing. makes sense.

I am an IT project manager ;) But apparently you can solve lots of problems with code.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by submeta »

asdf6969 wrote: post #585
apwell23 wrote: post #523

Earlier quoted context omitted.

did i miss it or did you still not answer > Who's reviewing all the code you are churning out with ai?

He didn’t answer because he didn’t even read your comment. Likely a bot

Yeah, I am a bot.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by rfks »

neilv wrote: post #506
taspeotis wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they acquire a company they might need approval due to anti-trust. If the people instead just quit their jobs and start working at Google … nothing to see here.

And everyone who didn't get a Google employee badge agreed because "x%" was big enough?

I guess VCs can't force founders to stay (the only penalty for joining Google is loosing some/all of their Windsurf equity, but I'm sure they chose what's better for them), and employees didn't need to agree (they have no vote).

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by drbojingle »

e1g wrote: post #338
foolishgame wrote: post #253

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I am curious what kind of code development you are doing with so many subscriptions? Are you doing front end backend full stack or model development itself? Are you destilling models for training your own? I have never heard someone using so much subscription? Is this for your full time job or startup? Why not use qwen or deep seek and host it yourself? I am impressed with what you are doing.

I’m a founder/CTO of an enterprise SaaS, and I code everything from data modeling, to algos, backend integrations, frontend architecture, UI widgets, etc. All in TypeScript, which is perfectly suited to LLMs because we can fit the types and repo map into context without loading all code. As to “why”: I’ve been coding for 25 years, and LLMs is the first technology that has a non-linear impact on my output. It’s simult…

Just fitting types and repo map into context eh? That's great. Any other tips?

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by buzzerbetrayed »

break_the_bank wrote: post #82
sunaookami wrote: post #45

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It was barely better than Cursor and they got shafted by Anthropic because of the takeover announcement so nobody really used it anymore because let's face it - Claude Sonnet is just the best coding model. Design-wise the chat panel and autocomplete integration was a bit nicer than in Cursor but not by much. Subscription for Windsurf was/is also 5$ cheaper.

i don't think it was better than or comparable to cursor at all. except for the month prior to the OpenAI Acquisition news where some minor influencers on X were calling it better. if it was better it would have survived.

> if it was better it would have survived.

Not sure how you can claim this when:

1. It is still very much alive, and

2. The whole point GP is making is that what made it better got stripped from it because of the acquisition announcement

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by oblio »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #314
extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

> - Tab completion model (Cursor's remaining moat) My local ollama + continue + Qwen 2.5 coder gives good tab completion with minimal latency; how much better is Cursor’s tab completion model? I’m still weary of letting LLM edit my code so my local setup gives me sufficient assistance with tab completion and occasional chat.

What kind of hardware are you using?

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by oblio »

chatmasta wrote: post #302
extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

The Microsoft investments in both VSCode and GitHub are looking incredibly prescient.

Turns out, Balmer was right.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by bernawil »

adamoshadjivas wrote: post #76
extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

Agreed on everything. Just to add, not only anthropic is offering CC at like a 500% loss, they restricted sonnet/opus 4 access to windsurf, and jacked up their enterprise deal to Cursor. The increase in price was so big that it forced cursor to make that disastrous downgrade to their plans. I think only way Cursor and other UX wrappers still win is if on device models or at least open source models catch up in the ne…

you mean the plans are subsidized? pay-per-use doesn't look subsidized to me, I can spend 5$ a day on a medium sized codebase easily.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by janpaul123 »

Kilo Code CEO here. We’d like to welcome ex-Windsurf users by offering you $100 in credits. :D We'd love to show how through open source there is a better way (better community, more transparent pricing, won't mess with your or the product). https://blog.kilocode.ai/p/windsurf-is-over-switch-to-open-s...
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