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How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by abustamam »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #307
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an American, I agree - I'm pretty surprised at how nakedly transparent the whole thing has been. One basic example - I thought pretty much everyone agreed that at least some level of due process is just inherent to the rights of everyone in the US. When I hear administration figures arguing that flying the Venezuelans to El Salvadoran prisons is a good thing because "they're really bad dudes", I think "OK, and we'…

They started this tactic of "They're bad dudes trust us don't need a trial" during the Bush administration and many many people pointed out this would come to our shores soon, and it did and it's here again.

Obama ordered the assassination of a US citizen[0] with no due process, so I don't think the rhetoric of "they're bad dudes trust us" ever really went away. Tried to hide it, maybe, but never gone.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

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Post by mmooss »

aredox wrote: post #586
starchild3001 wrote: post #82

I thought this country was founded on the principles of enlightenment. And the same principles made it a world leader. Now that enlightenment values are actively being dismantled what next can we expect?

Enlightenment - and slavery. And the ethnic cleansing of the natives. Americans from the very beginning started playing on words - "all men are equal, but women aren't men, natives aren't citizens, and negros aren't even humans"

Absolutely, but they reject those things now, by following the Enlightenment principles - except for the people attacking the Enlightenment institutions, who are embracing these old prejudices and hatred and oppression.

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Post by andreygrehov »

dbmikus wrote: post #558
andreygrehov wrote: post #330

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I never said the US is at war with anybody. I said: "that reminds me of what's happening in my hometown in Ukraine". > isn't being invaded According to the White House, there is an invasion: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/prot...

This is BS that Trump is making up so he can say the USA is at war and deport people without due process. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-judge-extends-block-trum...

You can disagree with Trump as much as you want. There is an executive order signed by the President. None of those Reuters and the like explanations matter. Given the executive order is in place, it doesn’t matter who signed it. Since it’s coming from the White House, it’s perfectly valid to reference it.

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Post by slowhadoken »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #241
slowhadoken wrote: post #196

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You’re quick with the insults. Keep it classy. I can think of another example off the top of my head: Fox News -> Disney -> Vanguard Group, BlackRock, and State Street (edit (I looked it up): the top institutional shareholders).

> Fox News -> Disney Nope [1]. [1] https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/walt-disney-company-acquire...

You're right Disney doesn't own own Fox News but BlackRock, State Street, and the Vanguard Group are significant institutional shareholders in Fox Corporation, the parent company of Fox News Media. At this point you should realize my question isn't naive or "stupid".

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Post by qiqitori »

vasco wrote: post #398
whatever1 wrote: post #268

As a European for decades in the US, it is the first time in my life that I feel fear for expressing my opinions. Ps does HN offer the capability of completely deleting the account and all of the comments ?

You can demand it under gdpr right to be forgotten and see where that gets you. Even being a US site they have to be compliant for EU users.

Comments are not personal data. You can't publish a book and then GDPR your publisher to stop publishing it.

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Post by Firaxus »

gls2ro wrote: post #460
boroboro4 wrote: post #244

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While I’m with you on attention economy I think it’s simplification of what’s going on: – we had very dysfunctional legislature for last 20+ years – quality of life is falling for majority of people This contributes to feeling of unfairness in the society which pushes authoritarian and populist ideas.

Can you give some examples about this assertion? > quality of life is falling for majority of people

Inflation, and the even hire steady increases in cost of living with wages lagging far behind; people have to spend a much larger percentage of their income just to sleep somewhere at night than people did in the 2000s, 1990s and 1980s.

This trend has been evident in the US since like the 1960s. If you would like to verify, try comparing median income levels and median cost of living levels for some of those year ranges.

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Post by somewhaturkish »

kopirgan wrote: post #483
tw04 wrote: post #449

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The UK and Germany don’t and never have had the 1st amendment. As for “the other way around” - what I saw the right wing complaining about was “being canceled”. Freedom of speech has never meant freedom from consequences for your actions. A private business is well within their rights to fire you if you’re posting racist or homophonic slurs online. The only thing the first amendment provides is freedom from the gover…

Going by your logic, pulling funds by govt is wrong but students "facing consequences of actions" by getting expelled is ok?

If it's a private University, that seems consistent.

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Post by [deleted] »

giantg2 wrote: post #250
sega_sai wrote: post #78

As a person who lived in the States for a bit, and listened to a lot of news, I remember always this almost fawning over the Founding Fathers, checks and balances and great American constitution. It is remarkable, how easy it all goes, and most people don't do anything (i.e. out of 100 top law firms, only a handful joined the lawsuit against the government, etc.)

The fawning is always about whatever topic the speaker cares about. It just an emotional tactic. Not everyone cares about the founding father's views in the same way. Not to mention, there was a variety of opinions even amongst themselves.

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Post by fahhem »

gmueckl wrote: post #555
nine_k wrote: post #444

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Neither of these countries has a free speech provision in the constitution. To the opposite, both explicitly ban certain kinds of speech.

Germany does guarantees free speech in article 5 of its constitution.

Clearly except when it's about Israel

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Post by deepfriedchokes »

move-on-by wrote: post #373

If I were to share this article with some loved ones, they would say the press deserves it for all the fake news and unfair treatment of the current administration. As for the signal aspect, the last discussion I was a part of devolved into “ MI6 did it to make trump’s team look bad”. There is some bogus ‘news’ article to back this up. I don’t know how we got here, but it’s devastating and scary.

People believe what they want to believe.

Political tribalism is the new religious outlet, since the old religions are failing their purpose. It’s in-group/out-group ego feeding behavior. The psychology of the faithful doesn’t change, since the underlying issue isn’t being addressed; the expression of it changes.

Similar to how addiction psychology doesn't go away unless dealt with, addiction psychology just changes how it’s expressed.

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