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Trump wins presidency for second time

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Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

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Post by _heimdall »

borg16 wrote: post #586

one thing i definitely worry is about using public lands for oil, mineral extraction purposes. while America has a bounty of public land acreage wise, 4 years and a complete control of the government is a lot of time to do some lasting damage to the ecosystem by opening up these areas for privatization.

The recent media attention on possible lithium fields in and around Arkansas was an interesting one to me. It seems like one that I could see the DNC latching onto for battery capacity despite the fact that it would still likely meaning he same kind of impact in federal land as mining oil, coal, etc.

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Post by sanderjd »

kaon_ wrote: post #30

Here's a European perspective that is somewhat pro-Trump, surprising as it may sound. I am Dutch and if someone would come along and promise the following: "We're gonna lower your taxes so you have more money to spend" "We're gonna take a sledge hammer to bloated policies so everything will run smoothly. Then we will build a million houses per year" I would very much consider voting for that person. That said, Trump…

This is not in any way a description of Trump's platform...

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Post by Muromec »

harimau777 wrote: post #333

What's the best way for someone from one of the groups that Republicans hate to move to a Western European or Nordic nation where they are less likely to be marginalized or threatened? I'm sure there will be plenty of time to analyze exactly what happened, but right now my only concern is getting out.

It's trivially easy to get a knowledge migrant visa to the Netherlands. Just find a tech job. There is also Dutch-US friendship treaty, so you can found a company, employ yourself and do the contract type of thing too.

You will not get your SV salary ofc and maybe even less than 100k, but hej, you flee the opressive regime, right?

Now if things are bad and you are targeted personally and have a paper trail, there is also asylum thing. You don't want to do that thing, it sucks. Just get a job in whatever country you fancy and they will move you.

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Post by calvinmorrison »

borg16 wrote: post #586

one thing i definitely worry is about using public lands for oil, mineral extraction purposes. while America has a bounty of public land acreage wise, 4 years and a complete control of the government is a lot of time to do some lasting damage to the ecosystem by opening up these areas for privatization.

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Post by max51 »

nazgulsenpai wrote: post #382

Wouldn't it be amazing if we had a viable third party? I can dream, can't I?

I don't remember who said it, but I loved the idea of an extra option on the ballot for a redo. If it gets a big enough percentage, you redo the election with new candidates and the old ones can't be candidates ever again.

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Post by rdm_blackhole »

This my outsider perspective, I am not into US politics at all but I have spent a couple hours catching up today and my takeaway is simple (and probably wrong):

the Democrat's messaging wasn't clear enough in my opinion and Kamala Harris was a weak candidate.

I listened to some of her interviews and I had a really hard time understanding what her campaign was about besides not being Trump. She also failed to put some distance between her and Biden which means that in my mind and probably in the mind of a lot of voters, she was seen merely as a carbon copy of him but as a woman.

Also the fact that KH was parachuted on the ticket without a primary vote because it was too late for that meant that she just wasn't ready. She put up a good fight but it wasn't enough to beat Trump who by that stage had been on the campaign trail for more than a year and spent time crafting responses, rebuttals and finding ways to attack his opponents.

I think Biden shares some of the blame here but she must have known this was a suicide mission.

All in all I don't think I missed anything by not paying attention to this whole circus.

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Post by ilaksh »

Well.. the last time he won, many people were literally expecting a nuclear holocaust. I remember a season of American Horror Story where the main part of the premise was that Trump became president.

We survived the first time?

I want to believe that somehow having Musk involved will help? I think there are a few people who feel encouraged by that based on how effective some of his companies are, and others think he will just call in a political favor for his own profit.

There seem to be two alternate realities. Either we are on the brink of a horrific fascist cyberpunk dystopia, or we have dealt a massive blow to the war-profiteering drug-profiteering establishment.

I don't think either is the real world, but the extreme divergence in predictions is confusing. I dislike this guy quite a lot but I also don't think the Democrats are trustworthy or honest.

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Post by qzw »

I think a lot of people forgot that before Covid hit, Trump was headed for a fairly routine reelection. Many people thought he was doing a solid job, especially on the economy. All American elections still come down to the James Carville truism, “It’s the economy, stupid!” Despite what the official metrics or stock market says, we’ve been in a “vibesession” due to inflation and elevated interest rates. Anecdotally, I'm still seeing stores run low/out of things far more frequently than pre pandemic times, which just adds to the feeling that all is not right with the world. America is actually in better economic shape than most other countries, but people are not feeling happy or optimistic, and the incumbent party is going to pay for it.

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Post by morelandjs »

It’s good to periodically reexamine your own positions against that of the majority and be open to realignment and different ideas, but remember that the collective opinion of society over the long term may look back unfavorably on the collective opinion of society over a period of time in the past. It’s OK to hold minority opinions, and it’s OK to disagree with the majority of Americans who voted for Trump.
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