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EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by ClassyJacket »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #308
vladvasiliu wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the USB2 speed a limitation of the Lightning connector, or is it that Apple just doesn't care to improve this? Because if it's the latter, as you say, there's no guarantee we'll see improved speeds because of the port change.

The lightning connector supports USB3 and it is implemented on some models of iPad Pro when used with the Lightning to USB3 Camera Adapter: https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MK0W2ZM/A/lightning-to... Apple never made a USB3 to lightning cable.

I wonder whether you could achieve USB3 transfer speeds from a computer to a usb3 iPad Pro with the Camera Adapter and a usb A to A cable like this:

https://amzn.eu/d/37zSB6e

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by jen20 »

gempir wrote: post #583
saurik wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am much more expecting them to do something like remove the port entirely and move to wireless charging only; or, for maximum humor value, make the lightning port incapable of charging the phone in Europe only, such that it isn't a charging port there and thereby isn't subject to the regulations (forcing only the people in Europe to use wireless charging).

As far as I understand the ruling they have to have a USB C port on their device that allows charging. Removing the port entirely is not an option.

Can you quote the part that you believe enforces that?

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by ClassyJacket »

truculent wrote: post #539
givinguflac wrote: post #429

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| Even amongst Apple's own devices it is a mess. To charge an Apple Pencil with an iPad Pro you need not one, but two adapters. I’m curious what you’re referring to. I charge my Apple Pencil while connected to my iPad, and my iPad chargers via usb c. No adapters for me?

They are referring to the original Apple Pencil which used a lightning port at the end.

Worse, the Pencil 1 didn't have a lightning port, it insanely had a lightning plug - it had to be charged precariously sticking out of the bottom of the iPad like this:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0276/6463/files/How-to-Cha...

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by jollybean »

krisoft wrote: post #552
jollybean wrote: post #450

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? how did self regulation fail ? There's nothing wrong with the way iPhone charges. This is an unnecessary intervention. There are plenty of bigger, more relevant fish to fry.

> There's nothing wrong with the way iPhone charges. Well. I'm lugging around one cable which charges all my devices from bike lamps to powerbanks. And there is a totally different cable I'm also lugging around to charge my iphone. Why is that necessary? Also my iphone charging cable frays all time, while my "everything else charging cable" does not.

"Why is that necessary?"

Why is any product feature necessary or not?

If you want to buy something with a USB-C then buy that. If you want Apple to change then let them know.

"Get the government to make a company make a choice I want" is really naive and glib.

There is no systematic issue here - if this were household wiring, there would be, but this is not that.

Every product has different configurations, different requirements. In particular, with smart phones, the extra thickness of the USBC actually makes it harder to design around - the issues has side effects.

Governments should be regulating where there is a material necessity or safety concern, not otherwise.

In particular - your 'bike lamps and power lamps' have totally different product requirements.

The government could conceivably help an Engineering body to promote a narrower set of clean standards, but this is too much.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by mikysco »

meibo wrote: post #497
Bud wrote: post #284

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Out of spite? What about it feeling out of spite to make this change for the tens of millions of users who have one or two or four sets of AirPods, and several wireless Apple keyboards and mice and trackpads, and various other gear, all of which uses Lightning? Some people need to remember that it's not all about them. And your USB-C chargers and power banks were and are perfectly capable of charging Lightning device…

How are my USB-C chargers capable of charging lightning devices if they are USB-C? Can I buy a dongle for $90?

The standard charging cable Apple has supplied with new iPhones for years now has been USB-C to Lightning.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by blue_light_man »

TheYumasi wrote: post #555

As an EU citizen, I am really happy with this decision. I am an iPhone user, but having an iPhone is not ubiquitous here, almost all of my friends/special other, use an Android phone with USB-C. Most of their laptops, Mac or not, use or allow USB-C for charging. This as been the case for a few years now, yet, if I go somewhere for more than a full day and forget my lighting cable, my phone will become a useless paper…

This is such a short sighted view.

What just happened is, EU, a political organization enforcing the use of a technology on a company which operates on free market. It's Apples best interest to make technology that the consumers want so that they can sell more units of that. A political organization like EU has no say in this. EU citizens already make this decision for themselves by voting with money and choosing to buy/not buy an iPhone.

Today is one of the dark days of EU. In short sight it's a victory. But in long sight it's a hinderence to progress by enforcing a technology on the market instead of letting the free market decide the technology.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by AndroidKitKat »

I read the law and perhaps I misunderstood it, but I'm curious if there is a grey area with regards to pogo pin like connectors, seen as the MagSafe connectors on Apple's MacBooks or the ones on the back of modern iPads / the ones on the side of my old Galaxy Nexus.

Do those count as wired or wireless charging? To me, that's the only tricky part. My bet is that it would count as "wired" (and thus be illegal in the EU).

My knee-jerk reaction to the law in general is "but why...", but after reading more and the comments in this thread, I think this is a major win.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by doikor »

blue_light_man wrote: post #607
TheYumasi wrote: post #555

As an EU citizen, I am really happy with this decision. I am an iPhone user, but having an iPhone is not ubiquitous here, almost all of my friends/special other, use an Android phone with USB-C. Most of their laptops, Mac or not, use or allow USB-C for charging. This as been the case for a few years now, yet, if I go somewhere for more than a full day and forget my lighting cable, my phone will become a useless paper…

This is such a short sighted view. What just happened is, EU, a political organization enforcing the use of a technology on a company which operates on free market. It's Apples best interest to make technology that the consumers want so that they can sell more units of that. A political organization like EU has no say in this. EU citizens already make this decision for themselves by voting with money and choosing to…

> A political organization like EU has no say in this.

EU and most people living within it would disagree with this statement.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by blue_light_man »

doikor wrote: post #609
blue_light_man wrote: post #607

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a short sighted view. What just happened is, EU, a political organization enforcing the use of a technology on a company which operates on free market. It's Apples best interest to make technology that the consumers want so that they can sell more units of that. A political organization like EU has no say in this. EU citizens already make this decision for themselves by voting with money and choosing to…

> A political organization like EU has no say in this. EU and most people living within it would disagree with this statement.

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