Laptop - I agree, as my Lenovo Thinkpad runs Linux without issues. I'm having trouble on desktop PC with wake up from suspend (when PC goes to sleep automatically after set amount on minutes) and wireless dropping randomly.
Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
601–610 of 640 posts
Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
#602Earlier quoted context omitted.
With Wayland, Gnome and KDE have no way to adjust the scroll speed on a laptop trackpad. Not the pointer speed, the scroll speed. In 2022. That is the kind of basic thing that does not work. In addition to that, if you have a high-DPI laptop display and you want to plug it into a low-DPI desktop monitor (or vice-versa), good luck getting the scaling to work in a usable way.
You certainly know what you're talking about because from a lot of experimentation, my take on the state of 2022: If you want the "works so well it's boring", go with X11. The one exception, as you note, is multi-DPI, which has native support in Wayland. For Wayland, there are (depending on DE/compositor) some specific issues or inconsistencies, like the scroll speed you are mentioning. Personally, I also have qt5 ap…
Arch should not be listed as a boring stable desktop. In fact, just the other month it had a black screen outage involving grub that affected every user that did an update. If the distro requires the users to monitor an email list to avoid this kind of gotcha before doing an update, then it is neither boring nor stable.
Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
#603I find the headline pretty disturbing because a) no it isn't and b) what would be boring is never being able to do anything because you were forced to spend all day "tinkering" with the OS for stability reasons or dismissing a constant barrage of nagware. Linux easily beats windows in this regard.
Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
#604I just received my Framework laptop recently, installed Fedora 36 + KDE Plasma, and even though it took some tweaking to get a close to my Mac behaviour, it works perfect. I had 0 driver problems. So it looks like Linux on the desktop seems to be getting there. And the best part, with this laptop, no shop needed to replace the battery, I can do it myself.
For the battery part, any boring Dell Latitude is no worse. As probably are other common business laptops. It’s much easier in most of the world actually – your local dealer might have one in stock, no need to ship overseas.
And Linux support for this machines is pretty decent too, a good trade-off over peculiarities of modern Windows at least. It’s been like this for about 10 years already, in my experience running Ubuntu and lately Mint on mid-range laptops as a tech-savvy user who hates tinkering with OS setup.
Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
#605Earlier quoted context omitted.
Acer Spin 5. Out of the box linux experience is actually quite good. Performance loss I can handle, but standby-resume reliably introduced touch screen bugs and other annoyances. Or did not wake up at all. I actually just recently gave up with linux on it and installed windows. (which was surprisingly a big huzzle, I had to resort to third party software to get the right windows drivers. But now it runs way better -…
I get that; a computer is a tool; it might be a love but mostly it’s a tool and it just has to work. That is really why I installed Linux in the first place back in the day but maybe things did reverse. I have a script which just makes any apt machine into mine; it is something I cannot do on Mac and win anyway and that is enough reason; I can get a laptop and run that script giving me a full working station in about…
" I can get a laptop and run that script giving me a full working station in about 10 minutes"
I even made my own manjaro (arch linux) version. So I have a USB stick with all my setup and programms, I can plugin and go hacking on any computer. Or directly install it. Takes only 3 minutes ;)
Of course that is freaking awesome.
Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
#606Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting; I got a A485 two years ago and everything except Bluetooth worked out of the box without problems (BT kind-of works but with a lot of problems, so I just got a USB one for €10). Never needed any kernel parameters, graphics work fine (including for some games), sleep always worked fine. Never tried AP mode or fingerprint scanner. Only reason I got a different laptop was due to hardware issues (some issue…
I'll be honest, aside from the FnLock LED issue, most of the issues I've mentioned were probably fixed by 2020. I got this laptop in january 2019, and none of the stable distros (ubuntus and such) would even boot without kernel parameters back then. 5.1 became the golden kernel version for me for a while, where everything worked as later kernels would break suspend/hibernate a few times before stabilizing properly. I…
I got it second-hand in late 2020, so that about pans out.
Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
#607Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
#608Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
#609Earlier quoted context omitted.
With Wayland, Gnome and KDE have no way to adjust the scroll speed on a laptop trackpad. Not the pointer speed, the scroll speed. In 2022. That is the kind of basic thing that does not work. In addition to that, if you have a high-DPI laptop display and you want to plug it into a low-DPI desktop monitor (or vice-versa), good luck getting the scaling to work in a usable way.
Wayland just generally is missing config files... Like just give me a big text file with hundreds of tweakables and tunables like X had... They hide behind 'you just need to get your client to make the right API calls'... but that just means most wayland compositors don't support most of the available options...
That's like saying X11 the communication protocol is missing config files. Wayland is not a concept that would, or should, have config files.
Sway is an example of a Wayland compositor, that is an actual piece of software, and has a config file.
> input scroll_factor
> Changes the scroll factor for the specified input device. Scroll speed will be scaled by the given value, which must be non-negative.
Re: Linux on the laptop works so damn well that it’s boring
#610Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which models did they do that with? I'd heard the xps with Linux was pretty good, at least for a while.
Yes, most XPS and Latitude laptops.
What were the equivalent white box vendors and did they ship with the same firmwares? Citation to read up in this?