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Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Crazy how evil Google is. Just wow. Since this runs entirely on the domain of the website, it can easily ignore your privacy rights, with Google more or less washing their hands clean of it. Indeed, if we take blocking trackers as expression of consent, the only possible reason this exists at all is to illegally circumvent privacy preferences. In other words, if you work for Google, you are literally working for a cr…

I'll probably get roasted hard for saying this on HN. Maybe not the tracker part, but I am excited by server side ads. I hate that I can't either make the ~30% of my audience that block ads stop using my site or see the ads anyway because they continue costing me resources. Especially since my ads aren't awful or invasive or slow.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before the whole brexit issue, even most ardent EU supporters would admit that the institution was terribly dysfunctional and would need to be reinvented to survive the next few decades. The Brexit debate seems to have polarised the whole issue into either you hate the EU and everything it stands for, or you think the EU is perfect and if it wasn't for these damn national governments then we could live in utopia. Unf…

> even most ardent EU supporters would admit that the institution was terribly dysfunctional That's a mischaracterization. "Most" would have accepted that there was (and is) room for improvement, but "terribly disfunctional" is an extreme term. The view that the whole institution had to be reinvented has always been a very English idea, based on the fact that some key policies (like agricultural support) benefited ot…

> a very English idea

The UK didn't even have the worst public opinion of the EU in Europe on average.

Public polling has generally shown other countries - including Italy, Greece and France - have an approximately similar (or worse) opinion of the EU than we did. There's a significant chance that Sweden would have ended up having a referendum on membership if we hadn't, but how terribly it's gone for us has put off many of the eurosceptics elsewhere. During the worst of the Eurozone crisis, there were many who genuinely thought that the entire bloc would - or should - collapse.

I also think people here do understand it's a set of compromises. The question for many is whether the set of compromises has become too large and unwieldly. The common view of eurosceptics in the UK was that the scope had crept too far, and that we could gain most of the benefits through a normal trade agreement without having to compromise on aspects like agriculture, fisheries, immigration control and ceding control over national law and third party trade. I think so far this is not going well, but it's still an open question.

What you point out about Brits not understanding EU press is touching on an major issue a lot of people had with it: how can a supranational institution taking over national government function be truly democratic if you don't even have a standard language, and can't understand each other's press? A common aspect of countries with poorly functioning democracies is they don't have a common culture or language. Whenever I've needed information about the EU, it's always been difficult to find because the EU websites are poor and the source material is often in French or another language that I can't understand.

I absolutely agree that the compromises are necessary for the EU to function in its current state. However, perhaps the EU scope has become too large given how disparate the members are? If your partner desperately wants to live in Europe and you desperately want to live in the USA, does it really make sense to compromise by living on a boat in the Atlantic? Or is it better to just be friends instead...

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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It is clear Google is finally feeling the hurt from adblockers and the like. That means we are winning. Google knows it's not what people want, but they clearly do not care. In my opinion, if you work for Google on things like this, you are equally to blame. You have Google on your CV, you can easily go elsewhere and find a decent job.

Having said that, uBlock Origin, and I'm assuming other similar extensions, offer inline script filtering. The code being served has to have some common code since it's all coming from a single org. What is stopping a filter that includes a filter like this?

The issue obviously being that this still prevents DNS filters from blocking Google, which is equally a big issue. Assuming the scripts indeed have some common code that can be blocked, perhaps this is where we start crowdsource filters. Something that runs in the background, and inspects scripts, which then gets posted to a server, validated automatically, and then later served as a block list that anyone can download.

[0] https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/wiki/Inline-sc...

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Or they slowly drifted towards anti-EU sentiment due to the EU.

> Or they slowly drifted towards anti-EU sentiment due to the EU. Poland, through 7 national and 17 regional programmes, benefitted from EU funding of EUR 91.3 billion under the 2014-2020 ESIF programmes (as of January 2022). This represented an average of 2 400 euro per person in the 2014 population they didn't drift they already had it in their belly, they simply hid it to take EU money and build their anti-democra…

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Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Mind underlying where I am spreading the values and propaganda of 'refreshed "neoconservative/nationalistic" right wing parties'? I would like to not do such a thing if possible. I'm quite surprised that so many don't realize that there exists an entire category of people that are not radical, but do hold opinions on some reforms that should be taken, including the quote that started this conversation "our ineffectua…

I'm not saying you are. I'm saying that if someone says X and there's groups saying X than expecting that person to be part of that group is kinda normal and not some kind of character assassination. Speaking of ineffectual administration - I think it might be hard for some people to grasp that any bureaucracy is going to look inefficient. The point of bureaucracy is to replace ad-hoc decision making with a repeatabl…

> if someone says X and there's groups saying X than expecting that person to be part of that group is kinda normal

Different groups can support the same policies for entirely different, and mutually exclusive reasons.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

#607

Can someone explain how they claim that TMS is running on 31.9% of top 10 million Alexa websites if Google Cloud itself only has 7% market share[1] (compared to AWS at 32% and Azure at 19%), if the TMS relies on the site being hosted on Google Cloud? [1]: https://www.parkmycloud.com/blog/aws-vs-azure-vs-google-clou...

Today, most websites don't user server-side tagging from Google, but the "standard" Google Tag Manager (with 3rd party tags running on the browser)

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

#608

I read the original article back when it was published in November 2020[0]. This is what led me to introduce new static network filter options: - strict1p, strict3p [1] - header=, experimental, disabled by default [2] I used Simo Ahava's blog as test case, and with these new options, I could craft a filter to block the Google Tag Manager script on Simo Ahava's blog. However due to the lack of more test cases, no more…

Sure that means vulnerable to widespread blocking.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

#609

Disclaimer: I am a data analyst. I consult companies in regards to ethical data collection. But I also know of black sheep. I don't have a problem with websites measuring what I view, click, add to cart or buy. I want them to be able to see what doesn't work in terms of user experience. And if they do marketing I even want them to be able to see from which source of traffic (aka marketing effort) how many conversions…

Similarly, I want to be able to show my users ads. They're not really bad ads, but otherwise I lose money on providing service. And then we risk the "youtube paradox": keep showing more ads to your ad watching users so they subsidize the growing number of ad blockers, but this causes more to use ad blockers so show even more ads.

Re: Google Tag Manager, the new anti-adblock weapon (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tried NoScript for years and it was a pain. Too many of the sites I use need so many domains full of JS. So I think this will vary widely depending on the person and their preferred/needed sites.

It has to be said: there are people who can get by without JavaScript and those who can't. You can almost predict those who can and those who can't by their personality. If you are heavy user of Google's services, Twitter and Facebook as well as many big news outlets and heavy-duty commercial sites then you're the 'JavaScript' type and stopping scripts is definitely not for you! If you are like me and don't have any…

I can relate 100%. In the past I was constantly using Twitter, Gmail, et al. I was using different hacks to bend them to the extent possible to my will. Time changed, my personality changed and the desire and need to use those services disappeared, therefore I naturally stopped using them. When people where talking about this or that service being down, I didn't notice it at all. I was also lucky enough to not rely on them on my $dayjob. I run my mail server, host my website and run my scripts. Old fashoin guy lets say. It works well for me. Moreover, JS-bloat is a red flag to stay away from certain services. Has served me well.
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